U.S. Politics

[John Corbett]

Dear Royell,

If the Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") follows through on his threat in two-and-a-half hours, the world will end up, ironically, with a lot more Muslim terrorists, and you will probably even find them in your neck of the woods in Arkansas.

-- Tom

Donald Trump has just proven the adage, "You can get more with a kind word and gun, than you can with just a kind word." Reports are that Iran has agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz as part of a two week cease fire agreement. If Iran fails to allow ships through the Strait, all bets are off. We will soon know if this is a ploy by the Iranian regime but if they fail to live up to the terms of the ceasefire, they can kiss their asses good-bye.

Predictably, the vile lying scum at MS NOW are portraying this as Trump backing down again. There isn't a single person on the despicable network who had an ounce of decency. Being a lying scum is a prerequisite for being employed by MS NOW. Trump has not backed down. If the Iranians honor the ceasefire, his threats will have accomplished its purpose. If they fail to do so, they will see total destruction of their country.

[Tom Graves]

Donald Trump has just proven the adage, "You can get more with a kind word and gun, than you can with just a kind word." Reports are that Iran has agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz as part of a two week cease fire agreement. If Iran fails to allow ships through the Strait, all bets are off. We will soon know if this is a ploy by the Iranian regime but if they fail to live up to the terms of the ceasefire, they can kiss their asses good-bye.

Predictably, the vile lying scum at MS NOW are portraying this as Trump backing down again. There isn't a single person on the despicable network who had an ounce of decency. Being a lying scum is a prerequisite for being employed by MS NOW. Trump has not backed down. If the Iranians honor the ceasefire, his threats will have accomplished its purpose. If they fail to do so, they will see total destruction of their country.

IMHO, politically speaking, you and Storing, now that Richard Smith is gone, are the two main pieces of neo-fascistic, zombified-by-60-plus-years-of-KGB*-disinformation-and-"active measures" toilet bowl mold around here, Corbett, but at least you're correct that former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

Just curious:

Is your faux "Lone Gunman Advocate" stance your contrarian Libertarian way of "owning the CT Libs"?

*today's SVR and FSB

[Joe Elliott]

Donald Trump has just proven the adage, "You can get more with a kind word and gun, than you can with just a kind word." Reports are that Iran has agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz as part of a two week cease fire agreement. If Iran fails to allow ships through the Strait, all bets are off. We will soon know if this is a ploy by the Iranian regime but if they fail to live up to the terms of the ceasefire, they can kiss their asses good-bye.

Predictably, the vile lying scum at MS NOW are portraying this as Trump backing down again. There isn't a single person on the despicable network who had an ounce of decency. Being a lying scum is a prerequisite for being employed by MS NOW. Trump has not backed down. If the Iranians honor the ceasefire, his threats will have accomplished its purpose. If they fail to do so, they will see total destruction of their country.

Donald Trump gave in to all of Iran's demands.

* Ships may use the Strait of Hormuz but must pay Iran two million dollars per ship. No freedom of the seas. And Trump agrees.

* America must withdraw our troops from our military bases in the Middle East. And Trump agrees.

* America must pay reparations for the damage our strikes caused to Iran. And Trump agrees.

We agreed to Iran's demands. Iran did not agree to America's demands.

* Iran has agreed to reopening the Strait of Hormuz. But each ship must pay two million dollars to Iran.

[Charles Collins]

Donald Trump gave in to all of Iran's demands.

* Ships may use the Strait of Hormuz but must pay Iran two million dollars per ship. No freedom of the seas. And Trump agrees.

* America must withdraw our troops from our military bases in the Middle East. And Trump agrees.

* America must pay reparations for the damage our strikes caused to Iran. And Trump agrees.

We agreed to Iran's demands. Iran did not agree to America's demands.

* Iran has agreed to reopening the Strait of Hormuz. But each ship must pay two million dollars to Iran.

Trump agreed to a temporary cease fire, that’s all…

[Tom Graves]

Trump agreed to a temporary cease fire, that’s all…

ME: Is it true that the only thing Trump agreed to was a cease fire?

GROK: No, that's not accurate. President Trump agreed to a two-week ceasefire with Iran (involving the US and Israel), but it includes additional conditions and is explicitly framed as a step toward broader negotiations.

Key Details of the Agreement

Ceasefire terms: Trump announced the US would suspend bombing and attacks on Iran for two weeks. This is conditional on Iran allowing the complete, immediate, and safe reopening of the Strait of Hormuz (a critical oil shipping route that Iran had blockaded). Iran has indicated it will coordinate safe passage for vessels.

Broader context: Trump stated the US has "already met and exceeded all Military objectives" and is "very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East." Iran proposed a 10-point plan, which Trump described as a "workable basis on which to negotiate." Negotiations are set to continue (e.g., in Islamabad).

Not a standalone ceasefire: Both sides claim elements of victory. The pause buys time to finalize a longer-term deal. Israel supports the US-Iran pause for two weeks but has clarified it does not cover its separate operations (e.g., against Hezbollah in Lebanon).

This is a very recent development (announced April 7-8, 2026), following escalated conflict involving US/Israeli strikes on Iran and Iranian responses. Claims that it was "only a ceasefire" appear to oversimplify or selectively quote Trump's announcement, ignoring the Hormuz condition, the 10-point framework, and explicit references to ongoing peace talks.

The situation is fluid and described as a "fragile truce" by some officials, with potential for the ceasefire to start immediately or soon. For the absolute latest, check reliable news sources as details could evolve quickly.

[Charles Collins]

ME: Is it true that the only thing Trump agreed to was a cease fire?

GROK: No, that's not accurate. President Trump agreed to a two-week ceasefire with Iran (involving the US and Israel), but it includes additional conditions and is explicitly framed as a step toward broader negotiations.

Key Details of the Agreement

Ceasefire terms: Trump announced the US would suspend bombing and attacks on Iran for two weeks. This is conditional on Iran allowing the complete, immediate, and safe reopening of the Strait of Hormuz (a critical oil shipping route that Iran had blockaded). Iran has indicated it will coordinate safe passage for vessels.

Broader context: Trump stated the US has "already met and exceeded all Military objectives" and is "very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East." Iran proposed a 10-point plan, which Trump described as a "workable basis on which to negotiate." Negotiations are set to continue (e.g., in Islamabad).

Not a standalone ceasefire: Both sides claim elements of victory. The pause buys time to finalize a longer-term deal. Israel supports the US-Iran pause for two weeks but has clarified it does not cover its separate operations (e.g., against Hezbollah in Lebanon).

This is a very recent development (announced April 7-8, 2026), following escalated conflict involving US/Israeli strikes on Iran and Iranian responses. Claims that it was "only a ceasefire" appear to oversimplify or selectively quote Trump's announcement, ignoring the Hormuz condition, the 10-point framework, and explicit references to ongoing peace talks.

The situation is fluid and described as a "fragile truce" by some officials, with potential for the ceasefire to start immediately or soon. For the absolute latest, check reliable news sources as details could evolve quickly.

I highlighted the only agreement I see.

[Tom Graves]

I highlighted the only agreement I see.

I forgot to include the word "temporary" in my question to GROK.