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Online John Corbett

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« Reply #4032 on: Today at 04:31:53 AM »
Have you forgotten asking the lame rhetorical question, "You mean like Hillary welcoming the help from the Steele Dossier?" in response to my saying, "The fact remains that Vladimir Putin, the 'former' KGB counterintelligence officer who murdered 307 of his own citizens in the 1999 Russian Apartment Bombings so that he could reinvade Chechnya and become president, began to interfere in our 2016 election in 2014, and went to great lengths during the following two years to do so. The Trump Campaign at the very least welcomed his help, and some of its associates, like Roger Stone and his newfound pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger, evidently conspired with the Russians to get it done"?

Perhaps you should go back and review.

You ignore the fact that the Clinton campaign indirectly paid for the Steele Dosser through intermediaries. For misreporting those payments, her campaign and the DNC were both fined by the FEC. The Trump campaign may have benefitted marginally from the Russian interference, but there is no evidence it actively conspired with the Russian effort.

Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #4033 on: Today at 05:10:31 AM »
You ignore the fact that the Clinton campaign indirectly paid for the Steele Dosser through intermediaries. For misreporting those payments, her campaign and the DNC were both fined by the FEC.

The Clinton Campaign's civilly (not criminally) liable act of paying through its lawyer for the to-be-expected oppo research against Putin-loving Trump is a drop in the bucket compared to what, for example, Paul Manafort, GRU-officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and close-to-Putin oligarch Oleg Deripaska did to get Trump "elected."

It wasn't Clinton's fault that gullible Fiona Hill, the overworked and/or mole-infested FBI, and gullible (or money hungry?) Christopher Steele didn't figure out that the dossier's primary source would be a probable KGB agent and that he would be feeding Steele dossier-discrediting false or unfalsifiable "intel" which would end up actually helping Trump, his KGB-zombified MAGA base, and the KGB, itself, after the election.

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There is no evidence that the Trump Campaign actively conspired with the Russian effort.

Au contraire, there's oodles and gobs of evidence that the Trump Campaign and its associates (e.g., Roger Stone and his new-found pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger) conspired with the Russians to get your boy "elected."
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« Reply #4034 on: Today at 02:30:38 PM »

The Clinton Campaign's civilly (not criminally) liable act of paying through its lawyer for the to-be-expected oppo research against Putin-loving Trump is a drop in the bucket compared to what, for example, Paul Manafort, GRU-officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and close-to-Putin oligarch Oleg Deripaska did to get Trump "elected."

It wasn't Clinton's fault that gullible Fiona Hill, the overworked and/or mole-infested FBI, and gullible (or money hungry?) Christopher Steele didn't figure out that the dossier's primary source would be a probable KGB agent and that he would be feeding Steele dossier-discrediting false or unfalsifiable "intel" which would end up actually helping Trump, his KGB-zombified MAGA base, and the KGB, itself, after the election.

Au contraire, there's oodles and gobs of evidence that the Trump Campaign and its associates (e.g., Roger Stone and his new-found pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger) conspired with the Russians to get your boy "elected."

Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound when you make lame excuses for the transgressions of the Clinton campaign while exaggerating everything Trump's allies might have done. The bottom line is no one who was working directly for the Trump campaign was charged with any crime and the Mueller report acknowledged that they had no evidence that they committed any. The Clinton campaign on the other hand was fined for concealing their involvement in creating the phony Steele Dossier. It is also rather ludicrous to even suggest the Russian meddling amounted to a hill of beans given the magnitude of Trump's electoral college victory. The Soviets/Russians have always tried to influence our elections and there is no evidence they affected the final outcome. The only election that was close enough for there to even be a possibility of the Russians tipping the scale was the 2000 election and there isn't a scrap of evidence the Russians had anything to do with Bush's victory in Florida which is what decided that election.