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« Reply #3656 on: Yesterday at 06:35:02 PM »
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What an unhinged rambling.

I'm sorry if it's too complicated for you.

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Comey knew this whole thing was baseless.

"Whole thing"? What "whole thing"?

Given the fact that Comey knew that the GRU and the KGB had hacked the DNC's and Podesta's emails and arranged for Julian Assange to dump them on social media (the timing of which Roger Stone knew about in advance, possibly because he and Harley Schlanger had arranged it?), and given the fact that Trump's campaign manager had helped pro-Putin Yanukovich get elected president in Ukraine and was connected to Russian intelligence through his GRU-officer employee, Konstantin Kilimnik, and given the fact that Trump's potentially-blackmailable-by-the-Russians National Security Advisor had been caught (and then caught lying about) assuring the Russian ambassador that U.S. sanctions would be eliminated when Trump took office, etc., etc., Comey would have been guilty of negligence if he hadn't investigated the involvement of The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") and his lackeys with your buddy, "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin and his beloved KGB. 

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It was used to damage and undermine Trump for three years.

Poor widdle traitor.

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Comey is the one who committed treason. He just carried water for the political establishment who gave him power.

Hopefully one of these days you'll realize that the only true "Deep State" is your and The Traitorous Orange Bird's beloved KGB*-Mafia and the sixty-six years (it started in 1959) it has waged disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies -- culminating (so far) in its installation of The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") as our "president" on 20 January 2017 and 20 January 2025.

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I'm sorry if it's too complicated for you.

"Whole thing"? What "whole thing"?

Given the fact that Comey knew that the GRU and the KGB had hacked the DNC's and Podesta's emails and arranged for Julian Assange to dump them on social media (the timing of which Roger Stone knew about in advance, possibly because he and Harley Schlanger had arranged it?), and given the fact that Trump's campaign manager had helped pro-Putin Yanukovich get elected president in Ukraine and was connected to Russian intelligence through his GRU-officer employee, Konstantin Kilimnik, and given the fact that Trump's potentially-blackmailable-by-the-Russians National Security Advisor had been caught (and then caught lying about) assuring the Russian ambassador that U.S. sanctions would be eliminated when Trump took office, etc., etc., Comey would have been guilty of negligence if he hadn't investigated the involvement of The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") and his lackeys with your buddy, "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin and his beloved KGB. 

Poor widdle traitor.

Hopefully one of these days you'll realize that the only true "Deep State" is your and The Traitorous Orange Bird's beloved KGB*-Mafia and the sixty-six years (it started in 1959) it has waged disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies -- culminating (so far) in its installation of The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") as our "president" on 20 January 2017 and 20 January 2025.

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LOL.  This one is real simple.  The Russian peddled disinformation to Hillary and her fellow leftists who knowingly used this false information for political purposes.  Comey carried the water of his political masters knowing it was baseless.  In effect, Hillary and Comey acted as agents of a foreign adversary in an attempt to impact the election.  Comey should kiss the ground that he wasn't indicted for treason.  The real kind and not the unhinged made-up type of your bizarre imagination.

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« Reply #3658 on: Yesterday at 08:26:33 PM »
The Russian peddled disinformation to Hillary and her fellow leftists who knowingly used this false information for political purposes.

ME: What percentage of the Steele Dossier's allegations have been proved to be true?

GROK:

The Steele Dossier, compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele in 2016, consists of 17 memos (totaling about 35 pages) alleging ties between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and Russian operatives. It was funded indirectly by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee through the law firm Perkins Coie and opposition research firm Fusion GPS. The dossier was published unredacted by BuzzFeed News on January 10, 2017, with a disclaimer that its claims were "unverified and potentially unverifiable." It served as raw intelligence — essentially unconfirmed reports from Steele's sources — intended to guide further investigation, not as established facts.

The dossier's allegations fall into broad categories:

Russian election interference: Claims that Russia aimed to support Trump's candidacy and harm Hillary Clinton's, including hacking and leaking Democratic emails.

Trump campaign-Russia coordination: Specific meetings, communications, and a "well-developed conspiracy" involving figures like Paul Manafort, Carter Page, and Michael Cohen.

Compromising material (kompromat): Allegations of Russian possession of blackmail material on Trump, including the infamous "pee tape" (a claimed video of Trump with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel) and financial leverage.

Over the years, U.S. investigations (e.g., the Mueller Report, Senate Intelligence Committee reports, and DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz's 2019 review) have scrutinized these claims. No single, definitive "percentage" of verified allegations exists, as the dossier isn't a checklist of discrete facts — many elements are hearsay or analytical judgments from Steele's sub-sources. Steele himself estimated in 2020 that 70–90% of it is accurate, but this is subjective and not independently confirmed. Independent analyses suggest a more nuanced picture: broad themes partially corroborated, specific sensational claims largely unproven or debunked.

Key Verified, Unverified, and Debunked Elements

Verified: "Russia conducted a coordinated effort to interfere in the 2016 election to boost Trump and undermine Clinton, including DNC hacks and leaks via WikiLeaks."

U.S. Intelligence Community Assessment (January 2017) confirmed Putin's endorsement of the effort; Mueller Report (2019) indicted 12 Russian GRU officers for hacking DNC emails and leaking them to WikiLeaks. Senate Intelligence Committee (bipartisan, 2020) affirmed this as a "profound" operation. This aligns with the dossier's core thesis and comprises ~20-30% of its content by volume.


Partially Verified: "Russian intermediaries passed hacked materials to the Trump campaign, which welcomed the assistance."

Mueller Report detailed campaign contacts (e.g., Trump Jr.'s Trump Tower meeting with Russian-linked lawyer offering "dirt" on Clinton) and Manafort sharing internal polling data with Russian intelligence-linked associate Konstantin Kilimnik. No criminal conspiracy found, but "numerous links" existed.


Unverified: "Carter Page Meetings -- Page met senior Russian officials (e.g., Igor Sechin of Rosneft) in Moscow to discuss lifting sanctions in exchange for oil deals."

Mueller Report and Horowitz IG report could not corroborate specific meetings; Page denied them. FBI used dossier info in FISA warrants for Page surveillance but later found errors/omissions in applications. Partial overlap with Page's known 2016 Moscow trip.


Debunked: "Michael Cohen Prague Trip -- Cohen traveled to Prague to meet Russian operatives and coordinate election interference."

Cohen denied it; Mueller Report, phone records, and passports confirmed no travel. Horowitz IG report called this "not true." A key sub-source (Danchenko) later said it was based on speculation.


Partially Verified: "Paul Manafort Role -- Manafort orchestrated back-channel coordination with Russia, including debt relief offers."

Mueller convicted Manafort on unrelated charges; confirmed his ties to pro-Russian Ukrainians and sharing data with Kilimnik (a Russian intelligence officer). No direct proof of dossier's "orchestration" claim.


Unverified:  "Kompromat (Pee Tape) -- Russia has video of Trump engaging in sexual acts with prostitutes in Moscow (2013), used for blackmail."

No evidence emerged from Mueller, Senate, or other probes. Steele rated it ~50% likely; sources described it as rumor. FBI investigated but found no corroboration.


Partially Verified: "General Trump-Russia Ties -- Trump and associates vulnerable to Russian influence via finances/kompromat."

Deutsche Bank records (via Senate) showed Trump Organization's Russian-linked loans; Mueller noted potential leverage but insufficient for charges. Broad "influence" theme holds, but specifics unproven.


Overall Verification Rate: Based on analyses from the Mueller Report, Horowitz IG (2019), Senate Intelligence volumes, and fact-checks (e.g., Washington Post, CNN, Lawfare):~20-30%

Fully Verified: Broad interference claims and some peripheral contacts (e.g., Russia's anti-Clinton motive, DNC hack attribution).
~30-40%

Partially Verified: General patterns of outreach (e.g., Manafort/Kilimnik, Trump's public praise of WikiLeaks), but not the dossier's implied conspiracy.
~30-50%

Unverified or Debunked: Sensational specifics (e.g., Cohen in Prague, pee tape, exact Page-Sechin deal).

The IG report noted "limited corroboration" (mostly public info like dates/locations) and "inaccuracies" in several reports; sub-sources [sic; sub-source and probable KGB agent Igor Danchenko] described much as "hearsay" or "word of mouth."

No source provides an exact percentage, but Lawfare's 2023 retrospective concludes: "Not all... has been proven. But none has been disproven" as raw intel.

Why No Precise Percentage?

Nature of the Document: As "raw intelligence," it's not binary (true/false). Much relies on anonymous sub-sources (e.g., Igor Danchenko, acquitted in 2022 of lying to FBI but admitting speculation). Horowitz found Steele's primary sub-source rated corroboration as "zero" for key parts.

Investigative Limits: Although Mueller didn't charge conspiracy (citing insufficient evidence), he didn't exonerate on obstruction. Classified info may exist, but public records show mixed results.

Bias in Sources: Right-leaning outlets (e.g., Hoover Institution) call it "bogus" (~0% reliable); left-leaning (e.g., Slate, 2017) say "a lot... corroborated." Bipartisan probes (Senate Intel) lean toward partial validation of threats.

In summary, while no exact figure like "X%" is universally accepted, the dossier's allegations are roughly 20-30% proved true in their strongest form, with another 30-40% partially supported by evidence of Russian meddling and Trump orbit contacts. The rest remains unproven or refuted, underscoring its role as a flawed but prescient lead on interference.

For deeper dives, see the Mueller Report or Senate Intelligence findings.

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Comey carried the water of his political masters knowing it was baseless.

LOL

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In effect, Hillary and Comey acted as agents of a foreign adversary in an attempt to impact the election.

Your beloved KGB* works both sides of the political / economic / cultural spectrum.

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ME: What percentage of the Steele Dossier's allegations have been proved to be true?

GROK:

The Steele Dossier, compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele in 2016, consists of 17 memos (totaling about 35 pages) alleging ties between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and Russian operatives. It was funded indirectly by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee through the law firm Perkins Coie and opposition research firm Fusion GPS. The dossier was published unredacted by BuzzFeed News on January 10, 2017, with a disclaimer that its claims were "unverified and potentially unverifiable." It served as raw intelligence — essentially unconfirmed reports from Steele's sources — intended to guide further investigation, not as established facts.

The dossier's allegations fall into broad categories:

Russian election interference: Claims that Russia aimed to support Trump's candidacy and harm Hillary Clinton's, including hacking and leaking Democratic emails.

Trump campaign-Russia coordination: Specific meetings, communications, and a "well-developed conspiracy" involving figures like Paul Manafort, Carter Page, and Michael Cohen.

Compromising material (kompromat): Allegations of Russian possession of blackmail material on Trump, including the infamous "pee tape" (a claimed video of Trump with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel) and financial leverage.

Over the years, U.S. investigations (e.g., the Mueller Report, Senate Intelligence Committee reports, and DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz's 2019 review) have scrutinized these claims. No single, definitive "percentage" of verified allegations exists, as the dossier isn't a checklist of discrete facts — many elements are hearsay or analytical judgments from Steele's sub-sources. Steele himself estimated in 2020 that 70–90% of it is accurate, but this is subjective and not independently confirmed. Independent analyses suggest a more nuanced picture: broad themes partially corroborated, specific sensational claims largely unproven or debunked.

Key Verified, Unverified, and Debunked Elements

Verified: "Russia conducted a coordinated effort to interfere in the 2016 election to boost Trump and undermine Clinton, including DNC hacks and leaks via WikiLeaks."

U.S. Intelligence Community Assessment (January 2017) confirmed Putin's endorsement of the effort; Mueller Report (2019) indicted 12 Russian GRU officers for hacking DNC emails and leaking them to WikiLeaks. Senate Intelligence Committee (bipartisan, 2020) affirmed this as a "profound" operation. This aligns with the dossier's core thesis and comprises ~20-30% of its content by volume.


Partially Verified: "Russian intermediaries passed hacked materials to the Trump campaign, which welcomed the assistance."

Mueller Report detailed campaign contacts (e.g., Trump Jr.'s Trump Tower meeting with Russian-linked lawyer offering "dirt" on Clinton) and Manafort sharing internal polling data with Russian intelligence-linked associate Konstantin Kilimnik. No criminal conspiracy found, but "numerous links" existed.


Unverified: "Carter Page Meetings -- Page met senior Russian officials (e.g., Igor Sechin of Rosneft) in Moscow to discuss lifting sanctions in exchange for oil deals."

Mueller Report and Horowitz IG report could not corroborate specific meetings; Page denied them. FBI used dossier info in FISA warrants for Page surveillance but later found errors/omissions in applications. Partial overlap with Page's known 2016 Moscow trip.


Debunked: "Michael Cohen Prague Trip -- Cohen traveled to Prague to meet Russian operatives and coordinate election interference."

Cohen denied it; Mueller Report, phone records, and passports confirmed no travel. Horowitz IG report called this "not true." A key sub-source (Danchenko) later said it was based on speculation.


Partially Verified: "Paul Manafort Role -- Manafort orchestrated back-channel coordination with Russia, including debt relief offers."

Mueller convicted Manafort on unrelated charges; confirmed his ties to pro-Russian Ukrainians and sharing data with Kilimnik (a Russian intelligence officer). No direct proof of dossier's "orchestration" claim.


Unverified:  "Kompromat (Pee Tape) -- Russia has video of Trump engaging in sexual acts with prostitutes in Moscow (2013), used for blackmail."

No evidence emerged from Mueller, Senate, or other probes. Steele rated it ~50% likely; sources described it as rumor. FBI investigated but found no corroboration.


Partially Verified: "General Trump-Russia Ties -- Trump and associates vulnerable to Russian influence via finances/kompromat."

Deutsche Bank records (via Senate) showed Trump Organization's Russian-linked loans; Mueller noted potential leverage but insufficient for charges. Broad "influence" theme holds, but specifics unproven.


Overall Verification Rate: Based on analyses from the Mueller Report, Horowitz IG (2019), Senate Intelligence volumes, and fact-checks (e.g., Washington Post, CNN, Lawfare):~20-30%

Fully Verified: Broad interference claims and some peripheral contacts (e.g., Russia's anti-Clinton motive, DNC hack attribution).
~30-40%

Partially Verified: General patterns of outreach (e.g., Manafort/Kilimnik, Trump's public praise of WikiLeaks), but not the dossier's implied conspiracy.
~30-50%

Unverified or Debunked: Sensational specifics (e.g., Cohen in Prague, pee tape, exact Page-Sechin deal).

The IG report noted "limited corroboration" (mostly public info like dates/locations) and "inaccuracies" in several reports; sub-sources [sic; sub-source and probable KGB agent Igor Danchenko] described much as "hearsay" or "word of mouth."

No source provides an exact percentage, but Lawfare's 2023 retrospective concludes: "Not all... has been proven. But none has been disproven" as raw intel.

Why No Precise Percentage?

Nature of the Document: As "raw intelligence," it's not binary (true/false). Much relies on anonymous sub-sources (e.g., Igor Danchenko, acquitted in 2022 of lying to FBI but admitting speculation). Horowitz found Steele's primary sub-source rated corroboration as "zero" for key parts.

Investigative Limits: Although Mueller didn't charge conspiracy (citing insufficient evidence), he didn't exonerate on obstruction. Classified info may exist, but public records show mixed results.

Bias in Sources: Right-leaning outlets (e.g., Hoover Institution) call it "bogus" (~0% reliable); left-leaning (e.g., Slate, 2017) say "a lot... corroborated." Bipartisan probes (Senate Intel) lean toward partial validation of threats.

In summary, while no exact figure like "X%" is universally accepted, the dossier's allegations are roughly 20-30% proved true in their strongest form, with another 30-40% partially supported by evidence of Russian meddling and Trump orbit contacts. The rest remains unproven or refuted, underscoring its role as a flawed but prescient lead on interference.

For deeper dives, see the Mueller Report or Senate Intelligence findings.

LOL

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Are you being paid by the word?  Bizarre.

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Are you being paid by the word?  Bizarre.

Dear Comrade/Herr Molotov-Ribbentrop,

I'm sorry it's so difficult for you.

Are you still waiting to hear from your boss, "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin, about how to respond?

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Dear Comrade/Herr Molotov-Ribbentrop,

I'm sorry it's so difficult for you.

Are you still waiting to hear from your boss, "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin, about how to respond?

-- Tom

The great irony of your paranoid obsession with Russia and Putin being behind every event is that in this case it is actually true.  But it had nothing to do with Trump.  Russia concocted an entirely false disinformation campaign that Hillary and Comey perpetuated and that you continue to believe.  That is comedy gold.  You are working for Putin even if you are smart enough to realize it.

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