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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #1722 on: October 21, 2023, 10:33:39 PM »
$105 billion for more war.  Imagine how many homeless could be housed in the US.  But it is all going for nothing.  Wasted and stolen as with the COVID "relief" money that fueled hyperinflation.   Approximately $200 billion of the COVID funds are the subject of fraud investigations.  It will take generations to undo the harm of what was effectively a bribe for votes.  And Putin is going to roll over other countries when he can't even take over a few regions of Ukraine?  LOL.  Fearmongering.  Time to duck and cover like it is 1954. 

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« Reply #1723 on: October 22, 2023, 12:27:50 PM »
$105 billion for more war.  Imagine how many homeless could be housed in the US.  But it is all going for nothing.  Wasted and stolen as with the COVID "relief" money that fueled hyperinflation.   Approximately $200 billion of the COVID funds are the subject of fraud investigations.  It will take generations to undo the harm of what was effectively a bribe for votes.  And Putin is going to roll over other countries when he can't even take over a few regions of Ukraine?  LOL.  Fearmongering.  Time to duck and cover like it is 1954.

Imagine how many more people would choose to go homeless for a bit if they could get free housing from the government?

Give Russia a taste os success and you might be surprised what they could accomplish.

How can Hitler be a threat to Europe when he couldn't even hold Munich in 1923? How could Russia be a threat to Germany when it couldn't even take Finland in 1939?

America has been spending billions over the years since the 1940's to keep Europe free of Russia. If we want continue that, we either need to continue to spend money on our military, or helping Ukraine. I say a billion dollars spent on Ukraine gives a lot more 'Bank for the Buck' than spending on our military. Three times as much? Five times as much? I don't know, but clearly a more efficient way of dealing with Russia.

Need to cut down on spending? Fine. Cut out some spending on our military. Reduce the number of army divisions we maintain by one. But don't cut aid to Ukraine. That money is not wasted. It saves a great deal of money we would need to hold the Baltic states if Russia takes over Ukraine and is now looking for more glory.

In 2021, the U. S. Defense budget was 700 billion dollars. In the last 18 months we have spent about 75 billion helping Ukraine. So about 50 billion per year. Or 7 per cent of our defense budget. What threat are we mostly spending money on? China and Russia. With just an increase of 7 per cent, we are dealing with one of our two great threats. It's a bargain by any measure. If we could do the same with China, pin down China in a forever war with Taiwan, we could greatly reduce the spending on our military. We wouldn't need nearly 700 billion a year for our military if both China and Russia ceased to be such a continuous threat.

This might get us involved in a 'Forever war'? I see no problem with that. We can easily exceed Russian production indefinitely. The amount of money we save by not doing that for a year or two would be small compared to the money needed to hold the Baltic States from an encouraged Russia.
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« Reply #1724 on: October 22, 2023, 04:06:37 PM »
Imagine how many more people would choose to go homeless for a bit if they could get free housing from the government?

Give Russia a taste os success and you might be surprised what they could accomplish.

How can Hitler be a threat to Europe when he couldn't even hold Munich in 1923? How could Russia be a threat to Germany when it couldn't even take Finland in 1939?

America has been spending billions over the years since the 1940's to keep Europe free of Russia. If we want continue that, we either need to continue to spend money on our military, or helping Ukraine. I say a billion dollars spent on Ukraine gives a lot more 'Bank for the Buck' than spending on our military. Three times as much? Five times as much? I don't know, but clearly a more efficient way of dealing with Russia.

Need to cut down on spending? Fine. Cut out some spending on our military. Reduce the number of army divisions we maintain by one. But don't cut aid to Ukraine. That money is not wasted. It saves a great deal of money we would need to hold the Baltic states if Russia takes over Ukraine and is now looking for more glory.

In 2021, the U. S. Defense budget was 700 billion dollars. In the last 18 months we have spent about 75 billion helping Ukraine. So about 50 billion per year. Or 7 per cent of our defense budget. What threat are we mostly spending money on? China and Russia. With just an increase of 7 per cent, we are dealing with one of our two great threats. It's a bargain by any measure. If we could do the same with China, pin down China in a forever war with Taiwan, we could greatly reduce the spending on our military. We wouldn't need nearly 700 billion a year for our military if both China and Russia ceased to be such a continuous threat.

This might get us involved in a 'Forever war'? I see no problem with that. We can easily exceed Russian production indefinitely. The amount of money we save by not doing that for a year or two would be small compared to the money needed to hold the Baltic States from an encouraged Russia.

The military budget will not decrease one penny as a result of our "investment" in this endless war.  That is a strange justification.  After this war, there will be another.  Russia will not be defeated and no longer be a potential threat no matter the outcome in Ukraine.  Do you think Ukraine is going to invade Russia and take Moscow?  Thereby ending the fake Russian menace.  That is not a possible outcome to this war.  Instead it will drag on for years.  More and more US money will be sunk into a conflict with no clear objective or way to win.  It will just go and on like the previous wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan.  And when all is said and done, the outcome will be no different (except for the tens of thousands of dead) than when it began.  The notion that the US should take advantage of this opportunity to use the Ukrainian people as canon fodder to fight a proxy war with Russia is frightening. 

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« Reply #1725 on: October 23, 2023, 12:21:55 AM »
Old Joe is on vacation at the beach again.  At least he can do no harm there unless he falls off his bike again.

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« Reply #1726 on: October 24, 2023, 02:53:04 PM »
Old Joe is still at the beach while the world spirals into anarchy.  Staying in the $3 million beach house that he paid for in cash on his lifelong government salary.  Amazing how all these career politicians and their family members are all multimillionaires.  Nothing to see there.

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« Reply #1727 on: November 05, 2023, 03:23:44 AM »
What a humiliation to be represented by hair sniffing Joe in these days.  The press promoting a false narrative to get that imbecile elected. Now we are on the verge of WWIII.  A complete incompetent is in charge while the world burns.  The chickens are coming home to roost.  Where are the anti-Trump loons to beg forgiveness?

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« Reply #1728 on: November 07, 2023, 04:59:37 PM »
The latest poll numbers are staggering for Old Joe.  Collapsing support among black and Hispanic voters.  He is trailing Trump in almost every swing state according to even the leftist NY Times.  Almost 80% of Americans agree that he is too old to be President.  You couldn't get 80% of people to agree the sky is blue, but they can agree that Ukraine Joe is not up to the job.  Think about his condition in the years to come given his current state and rate of decline.  His family should intervene and spare him that humiliation.