The JFK Files: Rhetoric vs. Truth

[Jon Banks]

You can follow my debates with Morley at these links:

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/06/response-to-morley.html

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/07/veciana-and-cia.html

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/another-slobbering-love-affair.html

Show us the exact quotes from Morley, not your interpretations of things he said.

We agree that Morley is an "activist" in the sense that he has spent at least the last decade or so attempting to get JFK assassination files declassified. 

He's not unbiased on the matter but he's also not a "conspiracy theorist".

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Remember that after the assassination that Angleton essentially turned the counter intelligence division upside down due to his insistence that Nosenko was a fake agent sent by the KGB to cover up their supposed connections to Oswald. And any possible role in the assassination. Nosenko was brutally treated on Angleton's orders in an attempt to get him to confess.

If Angleton was behind the assassination - and thus Oswald was innocent of the murder and any KGB connection meaningless to the event - why do all of that? It serves no purpose. Why turn CI into a operational mess over something he knew wasn't true? I.e., that the KGB had a role in the assassination. They didn't. Angleton essentially destroyed his career due to the mistreatment of Nosenko. Yes, the other stuff - the mail openings - contributed to it. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Jon Banks]

Remember that after the assassination that Angleton essentially turned the counter intelligence division upside down due to his insistence that Nosenko was a fake agent sent by the KGB to cover up their supposed connections to Oswald. And any possible role in the assassination. Nosenko was brutally treated on Angleton's orders in an attempt to get him to confess.

If Angleton was behind the assassination - and thus Oswald was innocent of the murder and any KGB connection meaningless to the event - why do all of that? It serves no purpose. Why turn CI into a operational mess over something he knew wasn't true? I.e., that the KGB had a role in the assassination. They didn't. Angleton essentially destroyed his career due to the mistreatment of Nosenko. Yes, the other stuff - the mail openings - contributed to it. It doesn't make sense to me.

Who knows? James Angleton's paranoia (post the Philby incident) is well documented.

If he had any involvement with JFK's assassination (even indirectly), it was in his interest to point the finger at the Soviets.

Any luck finding that Morley quote that you referenced earlier?


Somewhat off-topic but still on the topic of conspiracies, the Trump-Russia collusion theory is a recent conspiracy that many people on the Left in the US have speculated about. I too initially thought the theory had legs but over time, the more I learned about the Trump-Russia investigations, the less I believed it to be probable that there was any sort of agreement or conspiracy between Trump and Putin.

The Kennedy assassination for me has been the opposite. The more I've learned, the more I've leaned towards the conclusion that there probably was a conspiracy.

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[W. Tracy Parnell]

Show us the exact quotes from Morley, not your interpretations of things he said.

The linked articles have the exact quotes.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

I'm not sure if that's the exact quote. Do you have a link to it?

Directly from the Kindle version of his book (p. 58):

Perhaps now, observant people can understand how JFK’s enemies pulled off the “greatest magic trick under the sun,” how they made Oswald a patsy for their crime. They did it with covert psychological warfare schemes, like the AMSPELL program, whose workings are still protected by state secrecy.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Who knows? James Angleton's paranoia (post the Philby incident) is well documented.

If he had any involvement with JFK's assassination (even indirectly), it was in his interest to point the finger at the Soviets.

Any luck finding that Morley quote that you referenced earlier?


Somewhat off-topic but still on the topic of conspiracies, the Trump-Russia collusion theory is a recent conspiracy that many people on the Left in the US have speculated about. I too initially thought the theory had legs but over time, the more I learned about the Trump-Russia investigations, the less I believed it to be probable that there was any sort of agreement or conspiracy between Trump and Putin.

The Kennedy assassination for me has been the opposite. The more I've learned, the more I've leaned towards the conclusion that there probably was a conspiracy.

The Angleton reaction, to me, undercuts Morley's claim of his involvement in the assassination. It doesn't disprove it; but it doesn't make much sense that he would go through all of that if he knew Oswald wasn't the assassin but his own people were.

As to Trump and the collusion story: One interesting aspect to me was Trump's reluctance to condemn Putin or Russian intelligence for spreading the stories. The original claim was that Russian agents or ex-agents gave Steele that information. Trump was angry at the media but didn't condemn Putin or Russia. Very odd.

It now appears that all of Steele's allegations were based on rumors that, in part, were disseminated by Democratic operatives. That's pretty stunning to think that the country was put through all of this and it was, perhaps - perhaps- some sort of sting by Democratic party people. The media - those outlets that pushed it - have some explaining to do.