How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?

[Charles Collins]

Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.

Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.   

There are many photos that were taken on 11/22/63 which  show that there were only two spent shells.  A copy of an evidence  photo that we've all seen, and is well known, shows the blanket at the right side of the photo, the 38 caliber S&W revolver in the center of the photo and a large brown paper bag stretching across the middle of the photo .  In the lower left corner there is TWO spent rifle shells lying on the evidence envelope in which they had been placed in when they were found beneath the SE corner window. ( the top of the evidence envelope has been torn off and there is some faint writing on the envelope) 

I believe that every intelligent and alert researcher has seen this evidence photo. It is printed on page 88 of DPD Chief Jesse  Curry's book  " JFK Assassination File" And Curry  has labeled the TWO spent shells as item #1 in the photo. He identifies item #1 as " TWO 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano cartridge cases found in the book depository building "

The original evidence list that was created to verify the evidence that was being released  to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63. listed item number nine on the list is; ---Quote--" 6.5 spent rounds (2)-- unquote

Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

Item # 14 on this original list lists the so called "palm print" as one of the items being released to the FBI.

Item #14 says...quote ---  1  Partial palm print "off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip" on rifle c2766  ---unquote

What more proof do you need to understand that the so called "palm print" was in fact turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63

Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

Verification would be something more than your opinion that because a list exists means that it was created on a specific date.

[John Iacoletti]

Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.

Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.

Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

No, it's not verification at all.  You don't know when that list was created, or for what purpose.

What more proof do you need to understand that the so called "palm print" was in fact turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63

Actual evidence rather than a Walt assumption and story.

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

No, it's not verification at all.  You don't know when that list was created, or for what purpose.

Actual evidence rather than a Walt assumption and story.

You are aware that the FBI lab in Washington received evidence 0n the morning of 11/23/63 aren't you??

Are you proposing that the DPD simply let the FBI take that evidence with no record, or documentation that the DPD had gave that evidence to the FBI?   

 

[John Iacoletti]

You are aware that the FBI lab in Washington received evidence 0n the morning of 11/23/63 aren't you??

Are you proposing that the DPD simply let the FBI take that evidence with no record, or documentation that the DPD had gave that evidence to the FBI?   

They very well may have.  It's not like they were diligent about evidence handling and documentation.  But the point remains that there is no reason to think that this particular list was written that night or accompanied the first release of evidence to the FBI.

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

No, it's not verification at all.  You don't know when that list was created, or for what purpose.

Actual evidence rather than a Walt assumption and story.

Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.

Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

Yes, you're right there was an evidence inventory list compiled for the evidence that was released to the FBI on 11/22/63, and that original list was used for the list that was created on 11/ 27.   The clerk merely used a photocopy of the list that was created on 11/22/ and altered that original list to include items that the authorities wanted added or deleted. One of the items that the authorities wanted altered was the number of spent 6.5 shells. The original list from 11/22 indicated that there were only two  spent shells, but they whited out that numeral "2" and changed it to a "3" .

They admitted altering the list in the # 6   Item # 6 on the original list simply said " 1  .38 cal pistol, 2" barrel "

The altered list added information to item #6 ....It says Quote " 1 .38 cal pistol, 2" barrel, S&W, Rev. sand blast finish, brown wooden handles, ser. # 510210 . Released to FBI agent 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63 unquote.   

Since the original list of evidence that was being released to the FBI listed item # 6 as "1 .38 cal pistol , 2" barrel "

And the altered list verified that this first release of the S&W pistol occurred on 11/ 22 /63 then it should be obvious that the original list was created on 11/22/63.    And that index card with the " partial palm print " off underside of gun barrel near end of fore grip on rifle C 2766" is listed on the original list, then it's clear that the DPD did IN FACT   release the index card to the FBI on 11 / 22 /63.

[John Iacoletti]

Yes, you're right there was an evidence inventory list compiled for the evidence that was released to the FBI on 11/22/63, and that original list was used for the list that was created on 11/ 27.   The clerk merely used a photocopy of the list that was created on 11/22/ and altered that original list to include items that the authorities wanted added or deleted. One of the items that the authorities wanted altered was the number of spent 6.5 shells. The original list from 11/22 indicated that there were only two  spent shells, but they whited out that numeral "2" and changed it to a "3" .

There you go again.  You don't know when the second list was created either.

[Walt Cakebread]

There you go again.  You don't know when the second list was created either.

Released to FBI agent 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63

The DPD reported that they released the .38 caliber S&W revolver to the FBI on 11 /22 /63.....And it definitely is listed on the list that reveals that they didn't know that the "Italian rifle " they had found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was commonly known as a "CARCANO CARBINE"

On Saturday 11/23/63 they learned that the "Italian rifle" was commonly known as a carcano carbine.  But they didn't have that information on 11/22/63, so they simply referred to it as;---"Italian make, 6.5 rifle"