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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2021, 12:14:09 AM »
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Thank you for posting the colored photo of the TSBD..... 

Can yo verify who took this photo ...and when it was taken?

Perhaps you can post an uncropped copy of this photo?

The photo appears in the Ungar Photo Gallery ( Link ). There may be no un-cropped version if a zoom lens was used.

The window circles may be indicating the window section the symbol is on has tempered glass, and so can be safely broken to vent smoke. The glass won't fall to the street as sharp pieces.

Current fire code may require most windows to have tempered glass and so the use of symbols like these went away in some places. In days of yore, the use of such symbols may have been a city-wide fire-code and/or a fire insurance request so the customer could get a lower rate. Since Texans apparently don't like being told what to do and love the Almighty Dollar, it might have been the fire insurance rate discount.


Why aren't you concerned the photo might be faked.

If it's a official DPD photo, then it could be a fake.....

Planet Earth to Astronaut Cakebread ...



I was referring to this photograph, which you accepted without blinking an eye: "I just wanted you to know that the photo of Roberson with the umbrella had a real impact".

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2021, 12:40:16 AM »
So you do accept that red rings on windows had a fire safety purpose?  The TSBD was an old building.  Maybe the rings had been there for a long time and no one bothered to remove them.  I'm not a historian of Dallas fire safety regulations and neither are you.  What we know with certainty is that such rings were placed on the windows of Dallas building for a fire safety purpose.  They were there on 11.22.63.  There is zero evidence that they were any type of signal and the notion that the conspirators would attempt to convey some type of message via placing red rings in a random building - one among thousands - that JFK passed that day is so outlandish as to defy comprehension.

So show me a photo of the Daltex , or the county records building in which there are red rings on the windows....

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2021, 02:51:38 AM »
This fits with the aisles being cleared, but they would leave those aisles clear anyway to take advantage of the light from the windows.

    "As you move away from the map and plaque and head northward toward
     the Depository, you spot the window from which Oswald fired. It is on the
     sixth floor at the righthand (southeast) corner, to the right of and one row
     above a window marked with a red circle., (The circle designates a fire lane—
     an upper entrance that must be kept free of obstructions to allow the Fire
     Department to enter; similar circles can be found on buildings all over Dallas.)"

          — The Site Of the Most Shocking Single Event Of Our Time
               By Gary Cartwright — New York Times, Nov. 21, 1971

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Offline Robert Reeves

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2021, 06:24:28 AM »
I was referring to this photograph, which you accepted without blinking an eye: "I just wanted you to know that the photo of Roberson with the umbrella had a real impact".

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article3952975.html#storylink=related_inline

John O'Hare's son says it is Rip Robertson holding the umbrella in Congo. I don't know!



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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2021, 05:03:35 PM »
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article3952975.html#storylink=related_inline

John O'Hare's son says it is Rip Robertson holding the umbrella in Congo. I don't know!



Another version.

Thank you for posting the pictures..... I don't doubt that Robertson was actively involved in the ambush of President Kennedy.
He probably was the coordinator.....    May he not RIP.....

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2021, 10:25:31 PM »


          — Fire Engineering, 1948

    RED CIRCLES TO FACILITATE RESCUE

     The red circle will show the way in and out of Syracuse’s burning buildings.
     Fire Chief William J. Connelly has announced that red circles will be painted
     shortly on upper-floor windows of factories, warehouses and other business
     places.

     According to press accounts furnished Fire Engineering by James R. Jackson,
     Oswego, N. Y., the circle will indicate the window opens into an aisle or passage-
     way which will give firemen easy access to fight flames or effect rescues.

     Persons trapped inside a particular building will know that any window bearing
     the red circle will be the first place from which they will be rescued.

     The details of painting the red circles on windows, Chief Connelly said, are in
     the hands of Lieut. John Dacey of the fire prevention bureau. Each circle will
     measure eight or more inches in diameter, depending upon the size of the window.

     Employers and employes alike, the reports say, have agreed to keep
     free of obstructions all aisles leading to red circled windows.

     ST. JOHN, N. B., USES WHITE CROSS

     The idea of identifying windows and passageways to facilitate fire department
     operations has been employed in New Brunswick for a number of years with
     reported success.

     In 1946, Donald M. Baird. Fredericton, N. B, wrote: “The Saint John, N. B. Fire
     Department, with the cooperation of building owners, recently inaugurated
     this system (marking windows! as an aid to operations at fires in mercantile
     buildings containing large stocks of merchandise. Certain windows on each
     floor are selected for aisles between stockpiles. No obstructions are allowed
     in these aisles between the window and the interior of the building. A white
     cross about two feet high is then painted on the outside wall below the window.
     A small cross on one pane of the window serves as a marker for workers on
     the inside. Thus the fire department can tell at a glance where to raise their
     ladders or operate heavy streams without hindrance due to large stockpiles.”

     The Saint John’s idea of installing identification marks below the windows
     as well as on the windows has an added advantage of providing identification
     tor windows or apertures where and when the window markings may be
     obscured due to smoke or missing because the frame or glass was blown out.

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2021, 10:42:56 PM »


          — Fire Engineering, 1948

    RED CIRCLES TO FACILITATE RESCUE

     The red circle will show the way in and out of Syracuse’s burning buildings.
     Fire Chief William J. Connelly has announced that red circles will be painted
     shortly on upper-floor windows of factories, warehouses and other business
     places.

     According to press accounts furnished Fire Engineering by James R. Jackson,
     Oswego, N. Y., the circle will indicate the window opens into an aisle or passage-
     way which will give firemen easy access to fight flames or effect rescues.

     Persons trapped inside a particular building will know that any window bearing
     the red circle will be the first place from which they will be rescued.

     The details of painting the red circles on windows, Chief Connelly said, are in
     the hands of Lieut. John Dacey of the fire prevention bureau. Each circle will
     measure eight or more inches in diameter, depending upon the size of the window.

     Employers and employes alike, the reports say, have agreed to keep
     free of obstructions all aisles leading to red circled windows.

     ST. JOHN, N. B., USES WHITE CROSS

     The idea of identifying windows and passageways to facilitate fire department
     operations has been employed in New Brunswick for a number of years with
     reported success.

     In 1946, Donald M. Baird. Fredericton, N. B, wrote: “The Saint John, N. B. Fire
     Department, with the cooperation of building owners, recently inaugurated
     this system (marking windows! as an aid to operations at fires in mercantile
     buildings containing large stocks of merchandise. Certain windows on each
     floor are selected for aisles between stockpiles. No obstructions are allowed
     in these aisles between the window and the interior of the building. A white
     cross about two feet high is then painted on the outside wall below the window.
     A small cross on one pane of the window serves as a marker for workers on
     the inside. Thus the fire department can tell at a glance where to raise their
     ladders or operate heavy streams without hindrance due to large stockpiles.”

     The Saint John’s idea of installing identification marks below the windows
     as well as on the windows has an added advantage of providing identification
     tor windows or apertures where and when the window markings may be
     obscured due to smoke or missing because the frame or glass was blown out.


Thank you Mr O....It appears that you can't understand what you read..... 

I've never argued that the red rings in some cities were placed  on a window at the end of a corridor to facilitate the recue of people inside a burning building.  These regulations were enacted due to the fear of a bombing attack in the early days of WWII.

But ....There was no need to place the red rings just a few feet apart on the same floor.  And there were no corridors of escape from the TSBD at the points that the red rings were placed....   Please try again....This time with your brain engaged.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Signal Man on Elm Street
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2021, 10:42:33 PM »
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article3952975.html#storylink=related_inline

John O'Hare's son says it is Rip Robertson holding the umbrella in Congo. I don't know!



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In the photo section of the Book Bay Of pigs by Peter Wyden there is a photo of Rip Robertson.....


The man with the umbrella could be Rip Robertson.....Someone that is skilled with photos may be able to confirm....