The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Andrew Mason]

Storing,

Why in the world would any rational person believe there were two or three shooters?

If you do, then how many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important cover up?

Oodles and gobs?

If you do, then it means that for some reason you WANT to believe it was a conspiracy.

The unusual deformation of Carcano-marked-up CE-399, in conjunction with the wounds that JFK and JBC suffered at some point between Z-222 and Z-224, in-and-of-itself virtually proves that the former Marine sharpshooter known as Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK all by him widdle Marxist self.

The reason the first (missing everything) shot sounded different was because it was at hypothetical "Z-124." ("Hypothetical" meaning it wasn't caught on-film. The reason it wasn't caught on film was because it occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 after about a 17-second pause.) It was a steeply-downward-angled shot which required Oswald's standing and awkwardly leaning forward while taking it. The muzzle of his short rifle was, therefore, inside the building when he fired it, ergo, it created a different sound than his next two, fired-while-kneeling-down, muzzle-outside-the-building shots.

There is as much evidence for multiple shooters as there is for a missed, or any, shot at z124.

[Michael T. Griffith]

I ask again,

If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion created by reflected light, since when can a lapel move up and then back down in just 56 milliseconds? A piece of clothing cannot move up and down that rapidly on this planet.

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, why did Connally himself, the man who actually experienced the event, insist he was not hit before Z229 after carefully studying a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification? Why did both of Connally's surgeons agree with Connally on this point?

If a bullet tore through JFK in Z223-224, what, pray tell, caused him to start to bring his left hand up toward his throat in Z224, keeping in mind that even a reflex reaction would take at least 4 frames, and why is Jackie already staring at JFK in Z221?

Doesn't Jackie's reaction in Z221 clearly prove that JFK had already begun to visibly react to a wound before that frame?

Isn't it obvious that JFK's Z224 reaction is a continuation of the reaction that he starts at around Z200, when his right hand freezes in mid-wave and he suddenly starts to turn his head to the left?

You see, one huge problem for WC apologists is that you are chained down by the single-bullet theory and the three-shot scenario. To anyone with two functioning eyes, it is obvious that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets, as the Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis confirmed. It is equally obvious that JFK began to react to a wound long before Z223. But you can't accept these obvious facts because they would mean admitting that at least four shots were fired.

[Tom Graves]

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

Why does Connally's right shoulder drop between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his hat start moving between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his tie flap out between frames 224 and 225?

Why does he quickly rotate his head to his left between frames 224 and 225?

Why are JFK's and JBC's mouths open in Z-225? Are they simultaneously saying, "Boy, that sure sounded like a cherry bomb to me!"?

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[Andrew Mason]

Why does Connally's right shoulder drop between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his hat start moving between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his tie flap out between frames 224 and 225?

Why does he quickly rotate his head to his left between frames 224 and 225?

Why are JFK's and JBC's mouths open in Z-225? Are they simultaneously saying, "Boy, that sure sounded like a cherry bomb to me!"?

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If one just goes by the zfilm, you could conclude that JBC was hit in the back at the same time that JFK received his neck wound.  (Ok, you would have to fudge the trajectory a bit because JFK's hands appear to be in front of his neck exit wound. Also a right to left path through JFK does not easily fit a strike on JBC's right side - but let's just leave that issue aside).

But if one looks at the rest of the evidence, one can see that there is not only a reasonable explanation for what JBC is doing but also several bodies of consistent, independent pieces of evidence that are inconsistent with JBC being hit in the back there and that there had been only one shot to that point.

So you cannot answer that question unless you look at all the evidence. When you do, you discover a huge amount of evidence that does not fit the SBT.  But, not surprisingly, it still fits all three shots being fired by a single shooter.

[Tom Graves]

If one just goes by the zfilm, you could conclude that JBC was hit in the back at the same time that JFK received his neck wound.  (Ok, you would have to fudge the trajectory a bit because JFK's hands appear to be in front of his neck exit wound. Also a right to left path through JFK does not easily fit a strike on JBC's right side - but let's just leave that issue aside).

But if one looks at the rest of the evidence, one can see that there is not only a reasonable explanation for what JBC is doing but also several bodies of consistent, independent pieces of evidence that are inconsistent with JBC being hit in the back there and that there had been only one shot to that point.

So you cannot answer that question unless you look at all the evidence. When you do, you discover a huge amount of evidence that does not fit the SBT.  But, not surprisingly, it still fits all three shots being fired by a single shooter.

How many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!!!) cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

[Tom Graves]

If one just goes by the zfilm, you could conclude that JBC was hit in the back at the same time that JFK received his neck wound.  (Ok, you would have to fudge the trajectory a bit because JFK's hands appear to be in front of his neck exit wound. Also a right to left path through JFK does not easily fit a strike on JBC's right side - but let's just leave that issue aside).

But if one looks at the rest of the evidence, one can see that there is not only a reasonable explanation for what JBC is doing but also several bodies of consistent, independent pieces of evidence that are inconsistent with JBC being hit in the back there and that there had been only one shot to that point.

So you cannot answer that question unless you look at all the evidence. When you do, you discover a huge amount of evidence that does not fit the SBT.  But, not surprisingly, it still fits all three shots being fired by a single shooter.

Perhaps you missed these questions:

1) Why does Connally's right shoulder drop between frames 224 and 225?

2) Why does his hat start moving between frames 224 and 225?

3) Why does his tie flap out between frames 224 and 225?

4) Why does he quickly rotate his head to his left between frames 224 and 225?

5) Why does he open his mouth between frames 224 and 225?

6) Why are both JFK's and JBC's mouths open in Z-225? Are they simultaneously saying, "Boy, that sure sounded like a cherry bomb to me!"?


EDIT: The most important question of all:

Why do you have a psychological need to believe the JFKA was a conspiracy?

[Mitch Todd]

I ask again,

If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion created by reflected light, since when can a lapel move up and then back down in just 56 milliseconds? A piece of clothing cannot move up and down that rapidly on this planet.

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, why did Connally himself, the man who actually experienced the event, insist he was not hit before Z229 after carefully studying a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification? Why did both of Connally's surgeons agree with Connally on this point?

If a bullet tore through JFK in Z223-224, what, pray tell, caused him to start to bring his left hand up toward his throat in Z224, keeping in mind that even a reflex reaction would take at least 4 frames, and why is Jackie already staring at JFK in Z221?

Doesn't Jackie's reaction in Z221 clearly prove that JFK had already begun to visibly react to a wound before that frame?

Isn't it obvious that JFK's Z224 reaction is a continuation of the reaction that he starts at around Z200, when his right hand freezes in mid-wave and he suddenly starts to turn his head to the left?

You see, one huge problem for WC apologists is that you are chained down by the single-bullet theory and the three-shot scenario. To anyone with two functioning eyes, it is obvious that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets, as the Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis confirmed. It is equally obvious that JFK began to react to a wound long before Z223. But you can't accept these obvious facts because they would mean admitting that at least four shots were fired.

If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion created by reflected light, since when can a lapel move up and then back down in just 56 milliseconds? A piece of clothing cannot move up and down that rapidly on this planet.

The lapel flip is not a reflection. That notion was a just desperate whimsy by David Wimp.


If a bullet [I presume "didn't" was supposed to be in here somewhere] tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

His muscles.


If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, why did Connally himself, the man who actually experienced the event, insist he was not hit before Z229 after carefully studying a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification? Why did both of Connally's surgeons agree with Connally on this point?

You demand that we believe that Connally's memories are photographic-perfect to a tiny fraction of a second. That is too much to demand. Especially after Connally had been subject to severe blood loss and very heavy sedation. Also, given that there is some lag between a physical stimulus and the conscious recognition of the physical stimulus's effects, we should expect that the actual impact occurred some number of frames before Connally's mind experienced the shot. As for the surgeons, on what basis would they really know? Their expertise is in treating injuries, not in the postures assumed by victims immediately upon injury.


If a bullet tore through JFK in Z223-224, what, pray tell, caused him to start to bring his left hand up toward his throat in Z224, keeping in mind that even a reflex reaction would take at least 4 frames, and why is Jackie already staring at JFK in Z221?

JFK's left hand actually drops between 224 and 225. It from 225 to 232 it moves upwards. His left elbow still down at his side in 224, where it'd been since the limo first appeared in the film. And how you can determine what Jackie is staring at, or even if she is actually staring at anything at all, is a mystery.


Doesn't Jackie's reaction in Z221 clearly prove that JFK had already begun to visibly react to a wound before that frame?

221 is the first frame where Jackie reappears from behind the sign. How can it alone show Jackie reacting to anything? Or is it that you're just in the habit of picking out random frames, declaring that some person in that frame is "reacting," then presuming that they are "reacting" to a gun shot?


Isn't it obvious that JFK's Z224 reaction is a continuation of the reaction that he starts at around Z200, when his right hand freezes in mid-wave and he suddenly starts to turn his head to the left?

This is just begging the question. And the answer is no, for reasons I have already laid out. And JFK's hand in frame 200 is doing the same thing it was doing in frame 180. Just one last lazy wave to the waning crowd as the limousine prepares to peel off Elm to the looming freeway.

And, once again, the [Don] Knotts Lab video shows that they didn't even bother to put the rifle in the right half of the window, or figure out where JFK's back wound actually was.