The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #152 on: June 12, 2025, 05:25:27 PM »
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It would be better if you would discuss these three shots three hits with Michael Griffith. He is all about this kind of thinking. You won’t have to prove anything to him. In fact, the weirder the better. 

Personally, I think it is as messed up as it gets.
At this point after all of these investigations, the release of the documents, the passage of time, it seems obvious (even more now than before) that most of these conspiracy activists have an agenda where they use the assassination to express their grievances with some element of the government. It's not really about the assassination; it's about the assassination as a symbol of something deeper and darker. It's been that way for awhile, probably from the very beginning, but it's more explicit (and desperate) now.

On the conspiracy Left, it's the CIA and the Cold War policies, policies they think were illegitimate and immoral (some were but not all). Good lord, it never ends with them. And they see Oswald, as a fellow leftist, as a victim of this McCarthyite hysteria.

On the Right, it's the "Deep State" that tried to get Trump but got JFK. They really don't go after the Cold War policies since they are anti-communists and think they were largely justified. Why the MAGA conspiracy Right thinks they went after JFK is a puzzle to me. JFK as Trump? Trump as JFK? Really?

Where Michael Griffith fits in to this is a mystery. He seems to be a conspiracy hobbyist that is just doing this for...well I don't know. He has nearly everything faked but insists it was 20 to 30 people. He has disinformation agents right now manipulating opinion. And the news media being used to promote the lone assassin theory. It's all Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison type thinking but he's not a leftist. So again, I'm lost as to where he is coming from.
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Online Royell Storing

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« Reply #153 on: June 12, 2025, 05:57:00 PM »

  The Media's own Dan Rather described to this nation the Zapruder Film he watched the weekend following the assassination. Rather reported to this Nation that the Z Film he watched: (1) Showed the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St, (2) Showed Blood on Gov. Connally's shirt, and (3) Showed an Agent in the front seat of the JFK Limo with a Phone. NONE of this is on the Current Zapruder Film. This begs the question of how does a Lone Nut manage to kill a POTUS and then alter the Zapruder Film?   

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« Reply #154 on: June 12, 2025, 07:14:50 PM »
The Media's own Dan Rather described to this nation the Zapruder Film he watched the weekend following the assassination. Rather reported to this Nation that the Z Film he watched: (1) Showed the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St, (2) Showed Blood on Gov. Connally's shirt, and (3) Showed an Agent in the front seat of the JFK Limo with a Phone. NONE of this is on the Current Zapruder Film. This begs the question of how does a Lone Nut manage to kill a POTUS and then alter the Zapruder Film?   

Storing,

The Zapruder film wasn't altered.

With his camera off, Zapruder patiently watched the lead cars and motorcycles pass by him. Then, when saw the group of three motorcycles turn onto Elm Street, he started filming, thinking that the limo would be right behind them. But it wasn't. So, he paused filming and didn't resume until he saw, with his very own eyes, the limo turn onto Elm Street and start coming straight towards him.

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Online Royell Storing

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« Reply #155 on: June 12, 2025, 07:46:53 PM »
Storing,

The Zapruder film wasn't altered.

With his camera off, Zapruder patiently watched the lead cars and motorcycles pass by him. Then, when saw the group of three motorcycles turn onto Elm Street, he started filming, thinking that the limo would be right behind them. But it wasn't. So, he paused filming and didn't resume until he saw, with his very own eyes, the limo turn onto Elm Street and start coming straight towards him.

  (1)  Are you intentionally avoiding addressing the Dan Rather description of the Zapruder Film he watched? (2) What Zapruder Film have you watched? The Current Zapruder Film does Not show the Limo, "........coming Straight Towards him". 

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #156 on: June 12, 2025, 08:38:21 PM »
It would be better if you would discuss these three shots three hits with Michael Griffith. He is all about this kind of thinking. You won’t have to prove anything to him. In fact, the weirder the better. 

Personally, I think it is as messed up as it gets.
So all the Secret Service agents who have accepted 3 shots, 3 hits, one shooter are weird and messed up?  See Gerald Blaine's book : The Kennedy Detail and the discussion beginning about 33:15 of this video:
https://www.c-span.org/program/book-tv/the-kennedy-detail/239360

Also weird, according to you, were the Connallys and Dave Powers.  The FBI agents who all were working on the 3 shot, 3 hit, one shooter scenario until May 1964 even made a scale model of where the shots occurred based on evidence (weird as you may think):


The SBT is a theory that is not supported by those who were there, like the weird Connallys and Clint Hill.  Weird Hill was adamant that JFK was hit by the first shot.  Posner tries to argue with him in this video but to no avail.  See this interview beginning at the 39 minute mark:

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« Reply #157 on: June 12, 2025, 09:58:23 PM »
  (1)  Are you intentionally avoiding addressing the Dan Rather description of the Zapruder Film he watched? (2) What Zapruder Film have you watched? The Current Zapruder Film does Not show the Limo, "........coming Straight Towards him".

Storing,

Are you intentionally shilling for fascistic "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin, the guy who, with help from his professional St. Petersburg trolls, Cambridge Analytica, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, Roger Stone, Harley Schlanger, Julian Assange, GRU and FSB hackers, and Tucker Carlson, et al. ad nauseam, put The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) in the White House in 2017 and 2025?

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« Reply #158 on: June 12, 2025, 11:56:14 PM »

  Even Humes did Not support the SBT. Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding that the SBT "Is Impossible" was the final nail in the SBT coffin. Oswald was involved in the JFK Assassination. He just was Not in the 6th Floor window.

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« Reply #159 on: June 13, 2025, 12:05:35 AM »
  Even Humes did Not support the SBT. Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding that the SBT "Is Impossible" was the final nail in the SBT coffin. Oswald was involved in the JFK Assassination. He just was Not in the 6th Floor window.
1.) Humes was never an expert in Firearms injuries. How would he know?

2.) You have no idea what "SCIENCE" actually is.

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