The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #136 on: June 10, 2025, 02:55:19 AM »
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There always must be a Rosemary Willis reference in any good once upon a time conspiracy story. The story’s plot is a young girl, who has supernatural dog ears hearing, now relates hearing a shot nobody else in Dealey Plaza hears. Bippity Boppety Boop and a conspiracy is born.

“it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned.”

A shot at Z190 did not happen unless you think JFK continued to wave at Woodward and friends despite being shot through the throat. That JFK what a trooper.

The eyewitnesses state where the first shot took place. Pay attention to them.

Canning was spot on. Knotts Lab proved Canning was correct. The green line, lines up perfectly with the JBC back wound when Knotts Lab move JFK and JBC to where Canning thought they were sitting.

All this nonsense you post circling around the main issue of SBT does not change the central issue of your contention there was two separate shots wounding these men and not just one. Until you explain what happened to the bullet passing through JFK and where is the shooter for JBC’s wounds you appear to be flopping around looking for validity.


  "Bullet passing through JFK...." ? Are you talking about a bullet passing through JFK fired from the Front? Humes was unable to even put a finger into that BACK Wound further than his knuckle.

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« Reply #137 on: June 10, 2025, 03:26:10 AM »
Z124 doesn't fit with what Jim Towner or Tina Towner recalled.

Lend less credence to what people said and pay more attention to the conscious (i.e., not "startle") reactions of JFK, Jackie, JBC, Nellie Connally, Roy Kellerman, George Hickey, and Rosemary Willis to the sounds of the first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #138 on: June 10, 2025, 04:07:01 AM »
IOW, your emotional attachment to the lone-gunman theory prevents you from being objective. You dismiss the HSCA's science-based and reenactment-confirmed blur analysis of the Zapruder film because it proves there were four shots at the absolute bare minimum. (The HSCA photographic experts admitted there were seven blur episodes that exceeded the threshold of 2 percent of the field of view and exceeded the threshold of 10 for frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning.)

You ignore the undeniable evidence of the Rosemary Willis reaction in the Zapruder film, which proves a shot was fired before Z162. She slowed down, stopped, and turned to look back because she heard a gunshot. Her slowdown starts no later than Z162, and by Z187 she has completely stopped and is looking back toward the TSBD and the Dal-Tex Building. The girl's reaction meshes perfectly with the blur episode that starts at Z156.

Canning's trajectory analysis was a joke. I am surprised to see anyone citing it after everything we now know about it, not to mention the fact that it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned. I take it you don't know that Canning assumed that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. Anyway, Canning's analysis has been rendered irrelevant by the Knott Lab trajectory analysis. I suggest you read up on the Knott Lab analysis:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Getting back to Canning's trajectory analysis for a moment, Canning ignored the HSCA medical panel's finding about the magic bullet's trajectory. The HSCA's forensic experts determined from the back wound's abrasion collar that the bullet struck the back at a slightly upward angle. Canning simply ignored this. Also, Canning found that he could not get his vertical trajectory lines to match up if he used the location for the back wound determined by the HSCA's medical panel--because it was nearly 2 inches lower than the bogus location given by the autopsy doctors. Canning brushed aside this problem as a meaningless "experimental error." Canning had to resort to manipulation to make the horizontal trajectory work as well: He had to assume that Connally was positioned so far to the left that his right shoulder was practically in the middle of the jump seat. Frame 224 alone visibly refutes any attempt to move Connally that far to the left.
MG:I take it you don't know that Canning assumed that JFK was hit at or just before Z190.

Methinks it's more like that he was told that the shot occurred there, and proceeded accordingly.


MG: The HSCA's forensic experts determined from the back wound's abrasion collar that the bullet struck the back at a slightly upward angle.
 
They determined a slight upward angle in relation to the surface of the skin at the point of impact. However, this part of your upper back slopes forward quite a bit. If you account for this slope, a shot travelling slightly "upward" in relation to the surface of the trapezius can easily become downward in relation to the cardinal directions. That is, a path that is 5 degrees "upward" in relation to the target surface is actually 10 degrees downwards cardinally if the target surface is tilted forward 15 degrees. Geometry is easy if you try. That's why Baden used the phrase "when the body is in the 'anatomical position'" in his testimony to the HSCA regarding this very matter.


MG: Canning brushed aside this problem as a meaningless "experimental error."

His use of "experimental error" is a reference to a very basic concept in science and engineering: measurement uncertainty. Pierre Finck didn't do the best job at finding good landmarks to use as reference points to locate the back wound. But even had he used the standard midline/top of the head landmarks, there is still some amount of uncertainty regarding the relative positions of these landmarks, since the body is mobile. Canning was also aware that the positions of the limousine and the bodies in it cannot be exactly determined, accounting for two more levels of uncertainty. That's why he used trajectory cones rather than trying to draw a single straight line. In short, his approach was quite scientific. You do not understand this because you don't understand the underlying science anywhere near well enough to judge.

As for your repeated efforts to rehabilitate the Knott Lab thing, please stop. Again --and I keep having to repeat myself-- their own video shows that they put the rifle in the wrong side of the 6th floor window and JFKs backwound right in his centerline. If they get something so basic so completely wrong, then there is no reason whatsoever to take it seriously.


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« Reply #139 on: June 10, 2025, 04:11:24 AM »
  Dan Rather described the Zapruder Film he saw the weekend after the assassination. Rather described seeing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St. Sitzman said the same thing. She said from that Perch they could see the JFK Limo coming down Houston St and turning onto Elm St. This is Proof that the Current Zapruder Film has been altered.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #140 on: June 10, 2025, 04:40:27 AM »
Dan Rather described the Zapruder Film he saw the weekend after the assassination. Rather described seeing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St. Sitzman said the same thing. She said from that Perch they could see the JFK Limo coming down Houston St and turning onto Elm St. This is Proof that the Current Zapruder Film has been altered.

Storing,

News Flash: The limo turned left onto Elm Street from Houston Street.

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« Reply #141 on: June 10, 2025, 01:53:16 PM »

  I think you need to slow down. You are basically repeating what Sitzman said and Dan Rather supported via his Zapruder Film Viewing/Reporting.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #142 on: June 10, 2025, 02:49:44 PM »
  "Bullet passing through JFK...." ? Are you talking about a bullet passing through JFK fired from the Front? Humes was unable to even put a finger into that BACK Wound further than his knuckle.

What happened to you promoting the Knotts Lab Cartoon? They show the bullet passing through JFK and completely disappearing, and a separate bullet striking JBC from out of nowhere. You finally woke up. You obviously are done with that tripe.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #143 on: June 10, 2025, 02:51:39 PM »
  "Bullet passing through JFK...." ? Are you talking about a bullet passing through JFK fired from the Front? Humes was unable to even put a finger into that BACK Wound further than his knuckle.

No. 

Good to see you have abandoned the Knotts Lab goofy crap. You were unable to explain it anyway.

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« Reply #143 on: June 10, 2025, 02:51:39 PM »