The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Tom Graves]

Connally's lapel flip at Z224.
The exiting slug missed the lapel by a mile. And in any case it was at Z218 plus or minus a frame or two.
What caused the lapel to flip?

Did the slug exit a bit side-on? In which case it shook the whole coat. And that shaking caused the lapel to stand up at Z218 -- which Zapruder didnt show koz it woz black on black. And then a gust flipped  the lapel further so  that Zapruder did show it.

What have i missed?

The lapel flap can first be seen in Z-223.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

The lapel flap can first be seen in Z-223.

Yes, my early postings on this forum were often naive, but i was learning fast (thanx to many smart members here).
And my postings early on in my threads were often wrongish, but got better later in the thread.
For example early on i thort that Hickey's auto burst started at the headshot at Z312, later i realized that the headshot was his last shot (of at least 4 shots).

[Tom Graves]

[T]he headshot was [the] last shot (of at least 4 shots).

LOL!!!

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I made a giff of Lattimer's 18 frames (1994 test).
The tie is out of there.
Lattimer's slug takes a big chunk out of the lapel (as can be seen). He didnt tell us that.
The 1994 exit outshoot is not in the correct place, it is too high & too close to center.
And, the silly 1994 lapel (the 1994 lapel is very long) & the silly 1994 jacket are unlike the (shortish) 1963 lapel & jacket, hence the 1994 tie escapes, & the 1994 lapel loozes a chunk (missing chunk is vizible in the photos).
So, koz of the (missing) chunk, Lattimer's 1994 lapel would (i think) have flipped more violently than the 1963 lapel (see lapel flip in Z224), & (i think) it would have flipped earlier than the 1963 lapel.
Which means that my estimate of Z218 for Oswald's shot-2 is looking better & better (ie rather than Lattimer's Z220).
Lattimer actually said that his test showed that the shot was at Z224, even tho as can be seen his 1994 test timings clearly tell us that the shot must have been at Z220, & (as i said) the 1994 flip would have been seen later if Lattimer's 1994 slug had missed the lapel (we know that the 1963 slug missed the lapel), which means that the shot at the supposed Z220 would in fact have been say Z219 (or even at my Z218).

I estimated that Oswald's shot-2 was at Z218, which is when JFK was hidden by the traffic sign, in fact Z218 is when JFK was halfway along the sign (ie at the midpoint of his disappearance).
My estimate of Z218 was based on the typical human reaction time that would give the JFK & Connally reactions seen in Zapruder frame Z224.
So, JFK's & Connally's 1963 reaction times were similar to the reaction time for Connally's 1963 jacket flap-flip (flap-flip happened at Z224) -- 6 Zapruder frames is 0.30 sec (Latimer said 1/3rd of a sec).



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Nice work.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Connally's lapel flip at Z224. The exiting slug missed the lapel by a mile. And in any case it was at Z218 plus or minus a frame or two. What caused the lapel to flip?

Did the slug exit a bit side-on? In which case it shook the whole coat. And that shaking caused the lapel to stand up at Z218 -- which Zapruder didnt show koz it woz black on black. And then a gust flipped  the lapel further so  that Zapruder did show it.

I deal with the lapel flip in A Comforting Lie.

As you note, there is no bullet hole in the lapel of Connally’s jacket. The actual hole in the jacket is about 12 inches from the lapel and 2 inches below the right nipple. The passage of a bullet through cloth almost a foot away from the lapel could not have caused the lapel flip.

There was a strong wind blowing intermittently in Dealey Plaza during the shooting. If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion, and if lapels can flip up and down in only 18th/second, i.e., 55 milliseconds, the wind gusts would be the only logical explanation. But can lapels flip up and down with such incredible speed, even if blown by a gust of wind? This seems highly unlikely.

David Wimp argues that the lapel flip is an optical illusion caused by reflected light. See his article “The ‘Lapel Flip’ as Reflected Light."

Another possibility is that in the original, unedited Zapruder film, the lapel flip did not happen with such impossible, lightning-fast speed, and thus was simply the result of a gust of wind. But, if the original film likewise showed a 55-millisecond lapel flip, then Wimp's theory is the most plausible explanation for it.

[Royell Storing]

 Gov Connally was quickly turning around to see what was going on in the backseat with JFK. His quick gyration caused the lapel to flap. This ain't rocket science. It's Posner crying for relevancy amidst publicity jackals like Geraldo. The same goes for Holland and that light signal/light standard pinball bullet rigmarole. These people crave the attention/$$.

[Tom Graves]

I deal with the lapel flip in A Comforting Lie.

As you note, there is no bullet hole in the lapel of Connally’s jacket. The actual hole in the jacket is about 12 inches from the lapel and 2 inches below the right nipple. The passage of a bullet through cloth almost a foot away from the lapel could not have caused the lapel flip.

There was a strong wind blowing intermittently in Dealey Plaza during the shooting. If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion, and if lapels can flip up and down in only 18th/second, i.e., 55 milliseconds, the wind gusts would be the only logical explanation. But can lapels flip up and down with such incredible speed, even if blown by a gust of wind? This seems highly unlikely.

David Wimp argues that the lapel flip is an optical illusion caused by reflected light. See his article “The ‘Lapel Flip’ as Reflected Light."

Another possibility is that in the original, unedited Zapruder film, the lapel flip did not happen with such impossible, lightning-fast speed, and thus was simply the result of a gust of wind. But, if the original film likewise showed a 55-millisecond lapel flip, then Wimp's theory is the most plausible explanation for it.

Did the same gust of wind cause his jacket to "puff" or bulge outward one frame earlier, or was that a different gust of wind?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

The puff of wind just happened to blow out the one side of the jacket where the bullet and rib fragments came out? Not the left side or anywhere else? And the puff didn't *alter* anyone else in the limo. Plus, they were traveling at ~10 m.p.h. into a head wind.

Anyway, they insist that the Zapruder film is faked, altered, unreliable, can't be used. Except when they think it supports their conspiracy view. Then it suddenly become reliable.

In conspiracy world the evidence both shows a conspiracy and (because it's also faked) doesn't show one. The same evidence, mind you. It's both fake and real, authentic and inauthentic, reliable and unreliable. Up is  up but when needed also down. Sideways too. Anyway, the wind did it.

Notice the flag on the limo?