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Online Royell Storing

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #160 on: June 13, 2025, 12:34:42 AM »
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 With respect to the Humes opinion on the SBT, do the research.  Then we can discuss.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #161 on: June 13, 2025, 03:24:11 AM »
So all the Secret Service agents who have accepted 3 shots, 3 hits, one shooter are weird and messed up?  See Gerald Blaine's book : The Kennedy Detail and the discussion beginning about 33:15 of this video:
https://www.c-span.org/program/book-tv/the-kennedy-detail/239360

Also weird, according to you, were the Connallys and Dave Powers.  The FBI agents who all were working on the 3 shot, 3 hit, one shooter scenario until May 1964 even made a scale model of where the shots occurred based on evidence (weird as you may think):


The SBT is a theory that is not supported by those who were there, like the weird Connallys and Clint Hill.  Weird Hill was adamant that JFK was hit by the first shot.  Posner tries to argue with him in this video but to no avail.  See this interview beginning at the 39 minute mark:

SA Hill is a two shot witness. So was SA Greer and SA Kellerman. So was Jackie, Nellie, and JBC.

Mr. SPECTER. How many shots have you described that you heard?
Mr. HILL. Two.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you hear any more than two shots?
Mr. HILL. No, sir.


Weird is being to kind. This is just more of the same poorly researched, poorly thought-out nonsense that it always is.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #162 on: June 13, 2025, 05:00:29 PM »
SA Hill is a two shot witness.
I didn't say he heard three shots. I said he accepts that there were three shots and that the second shot occurred as he was running, which was after z255 because we see him in the Altgens 6 photo standing on the running board.

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So was SA Greer and SA Kellerman. So was Jackie, Nellie, and JBC.
Now you are just making stuff up.  Greer said there were three shots and that he turned around immediately after the second and then again just before the third.  Kellerman said there were three shots (2 H 78):
  • Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report
    and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter,
    if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally
    three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.

The reason he described the shots as a flurry is apparent from the answer to a question by Gerald Ford (2 H 78-79):
  • Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
    Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and
    shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There
    have got to be more than three shots.
    Representative FORD. Is that why you have described-
    Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
    Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
    Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.

JBC heard two and felt another one. 2+1=3.  Nellie heard 3. Jackie wasn't clear about anything.

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Weird is being to kind. This is just more of the same poorly researched, poorly thought-out nonsense that it always is.
In my world it is weird to make up your own evidence and then accuse others of being weird because they rely on the actual evidence.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #163 on: June 13, 2025, 05:25:23 PM »
I didn't say he heard three shots. I said he accepts that there were three shots and that the second shot occurred as he was running, which was after z255 because we see him in the Altgens 6 photo standing on the running board.
Now you are just making stuff up.  Greer said there were three shots and that he turned around immediately after the second and then again just before the third.  Kellerman said there were three shots (2 H 78):
  • Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report
    and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter,
    if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally
    three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.

The reason he described the shots as a flurry is apparent from the answer to a question by Gerald Ford (2 H 78-79):
  • Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
    Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and
    shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There
    have got to be more than three shots.
    Representative FORD. Is that why you have described-
    Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
    Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
    Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.

JBC heard two and felt another one. 2+1=3.  Nellie heard 3. Jackie wasn't clear about anything.
In my world it is weird to make up your own evidence and then accuse others of being weird because they rely on the actual evidence.

Getting weirder every time you post.

No. Hill was standing on the running board at Z306. Clearly stated there were only two shots.

No. Kellerman told Greer to accelerate after the second shot and before the third.

No. Jackie stated two shots.

No. Nellie and JBC

















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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #164 on: June 14, 2025, 12:33:59 AM »
With respect to the Humes opinion on the SBT, do the research.  Then we can discuss.
Been doing the research for 35+ years. Enough to know that Humes had no real expertise in GSWs to base an informed opinion on.


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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #165 on: June 14, 2025, 01:28:26 AM »
  Mr 35+ Yrs  - Not based on GSW
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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #166 on: June 14, 2025, 02:52:05 AM »
Mr 35+ Yrs  - Not based on GSR

Storing,

Your "research" been based on which books, articles and YouTube videos by tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists?

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #167 on: June 14, 2025, 03:51:39 AM »
  Mr 35+ Yrs  - Not based on GSW
Are you even trying to make sense any more?

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #167 on: June 14, 2025, 03:51:39 AM »