Oswald: No power lunch

[Walt Cakebread]

I can't argue with that, but the cases against the Black men were usually small with only a few cops and an eyewitness or two and nowhere the magnitude of this case which has many eyewitnesses, dozens of Cops, the FBI and many others, so the chances that everyone collaborated to frame an innocent man becomes exponentially smaller with each person involved, it's just basic logic.
It is what it is, Oswald took a rifle to work and assassinated the President.

JohnM

Oswald took a rifle to work and assassinated the President.

That's a gross over simplification, and you should be embarrassed to post such silliness.

You've been around long enough to know that nobody can prove that Lee took a rifle to work , and in fact there is strong evidence that refutes the idea. 

And Lee had a very strong alibi that refutes any contention that he was on the sixth floor at the alleged "Sniper's Nest " at the time that JFK was murdered.  Lee said that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom when the president's parade passed by the TSBD.
And he saw two fellow employees pass through the first floor while he was sitting there in the lunchroom eating his lunch.

Why do you insist on keeping your head tucked in where you can't see or hear the truth/

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald took a rifle to work and assassinated the President.

That's a gross over simplification, and you should be embarrassed to post such silliness.

You've been around long enough to know that nobody can prove that Lee took a rifle to work , and in fact there is strong evidence that refutes the idea. 

And Lee had a very strong alibi that refutes any contention that he was on the sixth floor at the alleged "Sniper's Nest " at the time that JFK was murdered.  Lee said that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom when the president's parade passed by the TSBD.
And he saw two fellow employees pass through the first floor while he was sitting there in the lunchroom eating his lunch.

Why do you insist on keeping your head tucked in where you can't see or hear the truth/

That's a gross over simplification, and you should be embarrassed to post such silliness.

You've been around long enough to know that nobody can prove that Lee took a rifle to work , and in fact there is strong evidence that refutes the idea. 

 

It's just Johnny's usual nonsense. He constantly makes claims he can't prove!

[Alan Ford]

Just a thought:
There is a glaring omission in the affidavits of both Shelley and Lovelady - that they walk down to the railroad tracks and enter the TSBD through a door on the west side of the building. In their affidavits both men give the very distinct impression that they re-enter the TSBD through the front door.

Indeed!

And another thing-------------Mr Shelley's affidavit is all about him singular (I ran out across the street, I ran into Gloria Calvery, I went back to the building).

There appears to be no sign of Mr Shelley on the steps in Darnell, but a figure looking a lot like Mr Lovelady is in evidence there-------------



The effect of Mr Shelley's change of story appears to be to
a) keep him on the steps for a longer time
b) thereby keep Mr Lovelady and himself paired up

Is Mr Shelley helping Mr Lovelady out in some way? Or is he getting Mr Lovelady to help him out?

One thing is for sure: Mr Shelley's blatant relocation of his encounter with Ms Calvery (from out at the corner of the park to at the front steps) is most troubling. As is the bizarre time estimation both men give for their sighting of Officer Baker and Mr Truly fixing to go inside the building

[Alan Ford]

According to Mr Shelley's first affidavit, he "went back to the building" after his encounter with Ms Calvery out at the corner of the park. As Mr O'Meara has pointed out, not a word about going to the railroad yards.

Could this be him in Darnell?

[John Mytton]

Agreed

If it was that simple then why is that Shelley, Lovelady, Williams, Norman, Jarman and Dougherty all lie in their various statements.
These are not "misremembrances" or misunderstandings. They are out and out lies.
If these are just normal working men going about their day while, unbeknownst to them, some lunatic shoots the President, then why all the lies?

If it was that simple then why is that Shelley, Lovelady, Williams, Norman, Jarman and Dougherty all lie in their various statements.

Do you think that all these men were involved and to what extent and what motivated them to "lie"?

JohnM

[Alan Ford]

What would be the point of having both men tell the same lie about how long it took Baker to arrive after the shots?

For one thing, it gets Mr Lovelady well away from the steps for Officer Baker's arrival there

[Alan Ford]

BLUE: Prayer Man
YELLOW: Mr Bill Shelley
RED: Mr Billy Lovelady