Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

[Walt Cakebread]

You wrote that the documents "indicate" what they actually didn't and advanced a theory.
I advanced no theory. Just facts---Hidell on the order...different model found.
If it is so obvious that Oswald ordered the rifle...why would he use a phony name then ? [as it apparently fooled no one]
It is presumed that Oswald was some kind of a maniacal derelict. Too much of a cover-up to accept that.

If it is so obvious that Oswald ordered the rifle...

I didn't say that it was OBVIOUS that Lee ordered  "A" Carcano fom Klein's.....I simply have no problem in accepting that Lee Ordered a Carcano from Klein's ...It was a cheap easy to trace old gun that He and De M. intended to use as a throw down gun at the Walker hoax>    ( A carcano was also used as a throw down gun in the TSBD)

why would he use a phony name then ?

He didn't want it to be too obvious that he had ordered the rifle....If the cops had found the carcano under that pile of brush and started tracing the rifle Lee wanted time to get out of the country and flee to Cuba.   The false name simply made it a bit more difficult to know who had fired the bullet through Walker's window.  You may recall that he was really disgusted with the DPD cops, because the radio was reporting that the shooter had used a 30.06 .....He scoffed at their inability to get the caliber of the gun used correct.....

Just to make it perfectly clear.....Lee DID NOT intend to hit Walker....  We have only Walker's word ( A notorious LIAR) that he was in that room when the bullet passed through the window.

[John Mytton]

Errrrk [screech of tires] No it doesn't! It shows that a one--- A Hidell presumably ordered a rifle--- the exact model which was not found in the book building.

Wrong again Jerry, Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Kleins sent Oswald C20-T750.



The rifle found on the 6th floor has the same serial number that Kleins sent Oswald.





JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

Wrong again Jerry, Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Kleins sent Oswald C20-T750.



The rifle found on the 6th floor has the same serial number that Kleins sent Oswald.





JohnM

The length of the rifle in the klein ad is irrelevant .....The rifle in the illustration appears to be a 40 inch long Mannlicher Carcano short rifle .....But it has a very unusual rear sight.....  Irrelevant because Klein's would have sent either the 36" or the 40"  and if the recipient complained ( if he even noticed) that he received a rifle that was different than what he'd seen in the ad, Klein's would probably  offer to exchange the rifle.....  The people who were ordering these cheap guns weren't gun nuts who were looking for a good quality gun to sporterize....

[John Mytton]

The length of the rifle in the klein ad is irrelevant .....

Not entirely, I think that Oswald believed he was sent a 36 inch rifle and subsequently manufactured his rifle carry bag to suit a 36 inch rifle and when Oswald tried to fit his 40 inch rifle into his 38 inch rifle carry bag he realized that the only way to fit the rifle was to disassemble the rifle, the look on Oswald's face when he initially found out that he fcuked up would have been priceless.



JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

Not entirely, I think that Oswald believed he was sent a 36 inch rifle and subsequently manufactured his rifle carry bag to suit a 36 inch rifle and when Oswald tried to fit his 40 inch rifle into his 38 inch rifle carry bag he realized that the only way to fit the rifle was to disassemble the rifle, the look on Oswald's face when he initially found out that he fcuked up would have been priceless.



JohnM

I think that Oswald believed he was sent a 36 inch rifle and subsequently manufactured his rifle carry bag to suit a 36 inch rifle

What a stupid idea!......  Do you actually believe that Lee couldn't have measured the rifle If he planned to manufacture a paper sack???    LOL!

[John Mytton]

I think that Oswald believed he was sent a 36 inch rifle and subsequently manufactured his rifle carry bag to suit a 36 inch rifle

What a stupid idea!......  Do you actually believe that Lee couldn't have measured the rifle If he planned to manufacture a paper sack???    LOL!

Not stupid at all, Oswald didn't go to the Paine house since the previous weekend week, and I believe that Oswald only found out about the Presidential Parade in the following week and in the mean time only made his unscheduled sudden appearance to pick up his rifle at the Paine household on the 21st, so if Oswald thought he a bought a 36 inch rifle why should the actual rifle be any different?, of course in hindsight we know the truth but Oswald at the time was clueless.
In the Herald Times on the 19th, Oswald most probably found out about Kennedy saying it would be happy day to oust the Castro Government and that would have fuelled Oswald's fire and when Oswald found out that there was a P. parade on the 22nd, Presidential Assassin Lee Harvey Oswald quickly put his plan into action.





JohnM

[Jerry Freeman]

Wrong again Jerry, Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Kleins sent Oswald C20-T750.

Hidell supposedly ordered C20-T750 a 36"...a 40" version was supposedly sent/received by someone. You knew perfectly well what I meant. This theory that you have about some gun case being improperly made by Oswald-- displays a fantastic gaslight obsession beyond description. Quit playing gotcha. It ain't working.
Oswald would show up at work with a full length rifle!