Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #308 on: September 17, 2021, 08:29:15 PM »
You should take up fiction writing.  That is quite a yarn....  Oswald could just as easily have smuggled the rifle into the building the day before. His rifle is found in the building.  That is the important fact.  They just change the narrative to have Oswald bring the rifle from his boardinghouse on the day before and hide it somewhere.
Look who's talking! Just how would Oswald "have easily smuggled a rifle into that building the day before"?
I know..he hitchhiked to Irving the evening before that and when no one was looking...sneaked into the garage and grabbed the rifle...then somehow got a ride back to downtown [the driver not caring that he had a weapon and has remained silent to this day] where he hid the rifle behind a trash bin at the building then went back to his room [somehow] un-noticed....easy breezy! :-\

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #309 on: September 17, 2021, 08:33:56 PM »
Years ago [1975 or so] I bought some books from a lady who had spoken to Frazier.
Wes Frazier was only about 19 at the time of the assassination and he told her [she said] that the cops had come down on him really hard...physically and mentally.
So being forced to either "play ball" "or else" it seems that Wes just told the cops and the Commission what he thought they wanted to hear.
After awhile ... and so many years...he started to believe it himself [just like Johnny Brewer with his tale]

Interesting, Mr Freeman, thank you  Thumb1:

I seriously have to wonder did Mr Frazier give Mr Oswald a ride after the shooting? It would help explain
-the horrors he was put through at City Hall that night
-the unconvincing/inconsistent account he has given over the years of his own post-assassination movements.
-his very late telling of a story of having seen Mr Oswald disappear from sight several minutes after the shooting

Is anyone on the record as having seen or spoken to Mr Frazier on the first floor of the Depository after the shooting? Surely, if Mr Oswald had been noticed absent, Mr Frazier (his closest buddy there and the man who gave him a ride to and from work) would have been the obvious person to check in with.................

Just a thought------------and, by the way, one that assumes no necessarily nefarious intentions or activities on Mr Frazier's part

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #310 on: September 17, 2021, 09:08:15 PM »
Interesting, Mr Freeman, thank you  Thumb1:

I seriously have to wonder did Mr Frazier give Mr Oswald a ride after the shooting? It would help explain
-the horrors he was put through at City Hall that night
-the unconvincing/inconsistent account he has given over the years of his own post-assassination movements.
-his very late telling of a story of having seen Mr Oswald disappear from sight several minutes after the shooting

Is anyone on the record as having seen or spoken to Mr Frazier on the first floor of the Depository after the shooting? Surely, if Mr Oswald had been noticed absent, Mr Frazier (his closest buddy there and the man who gave him a ride to and from work) would have been the obvious person to check in with.................

Just a thought------------and, by the way, one that assumes no necessarily nefarious intentions or activities on Mr Frazier's part

Mr Ford, I would consider your idea ( that Frazier gave Lee I ride to oakcliff after the shooting)  as a possibility except Lee said that he took a CITY cab to the rooming house and he paid a fare of 85 cents.   He knew the taxi fare and that for me clinches his statement that he rode in a CITY cab to the rooming house.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #311 on: September 17, 2021, 10:41:08 PM »
Look who's talking! Just how would Oswald "have easily smuggled a rifle into that building the day before"?
I know..he hitchhiked to Irving the evening before that and when no one was looking...sneaked into the garage and grabbed the rifle...then somehow got a ride back to downtown [the driver not caring that he had a weapon and has remained silent to this day] where he hid the rifle behind a trash bin at the building then went back to his room [somehow] un-noticed....easy breezy! :-\

Good grief.  HA HA HA. Oswald could have taken his rifle to his boardinghouse at any point in the weeks or months before the assassination.  Just as he kept his pistol there.  All he has to do is carry it to the TSBD on the bus - like he did to the Walker scene - on any day that week.  Hide it somewhere (just as he did on the morning of the assassination) and retrieve it before the assassination.  A very plausible narrative that does not require coercing a random witness into lying.  Of course none of that happened because Oswald brought his rifle to work in Frazier's car but there is a perfectly reasonable narrative for getting his rifle into the building had there been a fantasy conspiracy. 

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #312 on: September 17, 2021, 10:49:37 PM »
Good grief.  HA HA HA. Oswald could have taken his rifle to his boardinghouse at any point in the weeks or months before the assassination.  Just as he kept his pistol there.  All he has to do is carry it to the TSBD on the bus - like he did to the Walker scene - on any day that week.

Way to hedge your bets, Mr Smith!   :D

Of course, all Mr Oswald has to do for the document below to be explained is bring curtain rods to the Depository in Mr Buell Wesley Frazier's car the morning of the assassination


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #313 on: September 17, 2021, 10:58:38 PM »
Mr Ford, I would consider your idea ( that Frazier gave Lee I ride to oakcliff after the shooting)  as a possibility except Lee said that he took a CITY cab to the rooming house and he paid a fare of 85 cents.   He knew the taxi fare and that for me clinches his statement that he rode in a CITY cab to the rooming house.

Mr Cakebread, how do you know
a) Mr Oswald actually said this and the "approximately 85 cents" was not put in his mouth?
b) a CITY cab to the rooming house would have cost 85 cents?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #314 on: September 17, 2021, 11:05:35 PM »
Why would Frazier exaggerate the size of Oswald's lunch sack but still insist it was too short to contain the rifle?

Mr Frazier, like his sister, describes a sack the perfect size for holding curtain rods.

This fact is, of course, NOT WHOLLY UNRELATED to the fact that two curtain rods were tested for Mr Oswald's prints eight days BEFORE two curtain rods were extracted on the record from Ms Paine's garage

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