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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2021, 02:55:22 PM »
It's amazing that so much time and energy has been expended on this story.  Meanwhile there were decades of intentional and verifiable lies told by a laundry list of politicians and military members dating back decades that resulted in decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush, Cheney, Powell, Obama, Hillary etc.  Lies that resulted it the deaths of thousands of Americans and untold numbers of folks in those countries.  The expenditure of trillions of dollars for no purpose.  But no one cares.  What they care about is some guy who painted his face and wore a horned helmet while walking through the Capitol. 

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2021, 03:43:19 PM »
It's amazing that so much time and energy has been expended on this story.  Meanwhile there were decades of intentional and verifiable lies told by a laundry list of politicians and military members dating back decades that resulted in decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush, Cheney, Powell, Obama, Hillary etc.  Lies that resulted it the deaths of thousands of Americans and untold numbers of folks in those countries.  The expenditure of trillions of dollars for no purpose.  But no one cares.  What they care about is some guy who painted his face and wore a horned helmet while walking through the Capitol.

You make it plain you are unprepared intellectually and emotionally for what will result from the still ongoing investigation(s), arrests, prosecutions and the work of the January 6 Commission.

The statements of Senators McConnell and Graham, as well as of House Minority Leader McCarthy are inconsistent with their recent comments.

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“Minority Leader McCarthy has recently made statements regarding the January 6th investigation. He has suggested, based on an anonymous report, that the Department of Justice has concluded that Donald Trump did not cause, incite, or provoke the violence on January 6th. When this anonymous report was first published, the Select Committee queried the Executive Branch agencies and congressional committees involved in the investigation. We’ve received answers and briefings from the relevant entities, and it’s been made clear to us that reports of such a conclusion are baseless. We will continue to pursue all elements of this investigation in a nonpartisan and thorough manner. We also remind Minority Leader McCarthy of his statements following January 6th, including his statement from the House Floor on January 13th—which are inconsistent with his recent comments.”

The American people, especially considering "the Trump taint" at the highest levels of the Secret Service,

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....to learn why the same Secret Service that issued this warning to the Capitol Police, brought V.P. Mike Pence to the Capitol without increased SS protection, like a tactical team, or even brought him, AND HIS FAMILY, to the Capitol on January 6, at all!

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Aug 25, 2021 — Just a day before the Jan. 6 riot, the Secret Service warned the U.S. Capitol Police that their officers could face violence at the hands of ...

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September 6, 2021
... A USPP spokesperson told the I-Team the 24-year-old with the rifle was arrested and charged with having an unregistered firearm.

Several other incidents with guns are revealed in the internal emails. According to a FBI update forwarded to colleagues by a U.S. Park Police detective, “At approximately 10:45 a.m., Federal Protective Service received notification.. that two individuals were detained by a protective service officer for possession of two guns in vehicle.

According to emails shared by federal law enforcement, D.C. police reported “there have been approximately 10 arrests ranging from simple assault to weapons possession” by 9:35 a.m. in the District.

As the morning progressed, the emails show attention shifted to the Capitol. A U.S. Park Police email reported a large group of 200 suspected Proud Boys on or near Capitol grounds. In an email to colleagues, a Park Police intelligence branch commander noted, “We are monitoring the group’s movement through the city.”

By 11:15am, at least 400 people had entered or approached the east front of the Capitol, according to an FBI situational report emailed by Park Police officials....
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2021, 03:52:29 PM »
You make it plain you are unprepared intellectually and emotionally for what will result from the still ongoing investigation(s), arrests, prosecutions and the work of the January 6 Commission.

The statements of Senators McConnell and Graham, as well as of House Minority Leader McCarthy are inconsistent with their recent comments.

The American people, especially considering "the Trump taint" at the highest levels of the Secret Service,


....to learn why the same Secret Service that issued this warning to the Capitol Police, brought V.P. Mike Pence to the Capitol without increased SS protection, like a tactical team, or even brought him, AND HIS FAMILY, to the Capitol on January 6, at all!

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Every person who committed a crime that day, no matter how petty, was tracked down by the FBI.  Tactical SWAT teams raided the homes of school teachers with no criminal history.  The lies in Afghanistan, however, continued to the very end without any similar accountability.  The US military killed an entire family including several children in a drone strike that they claimed was against a terrorist.  They claimed this was proven by a "secondary" explosion.  It turns out they killed an aid worker taking water to his family.  Where is the investigation and outrage for the lies and incompetence that resulted in the deaths of several children?  Are you emotionally and intellectually prepared to ever hold anyone in the government accountable except for Trump?  The political theatrics around events like Jan. 6 are just political gaslighting to distract from more important matters.  COVID case are up 300% under Biden even with the vaccine widely available, Afghanistan was left in chaos but only after the murder of more innocents on both sides,  more lies were told, no one was held accountable but let's talk on and on about Jan. 6. 

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2021, 12:34:32 AM »
Of course it was planned and coordinated by the seditious GOP which is why they are freaking out about the 1/6 committee getting all their communications and phone records. They planned this attack for over a month and seditious GOP coordinated with key right wing insurrectionist figures.   


‘Stop the Steal’ organizer, now banned by Twitter, said three GOP lawmakers helped plan his D.C. rally

January 13, 2021 at 5:14 a.m. EST

Weeks before a mob of President Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, right-wing activist Ali Alexander told his followers he was planning something big for Jan. 6.

Alexander, who organized the “Stop the Steal” movement, said he hatched the plan — coinciding with Congress’s vote to certify the electoral college votes — alongside three GOP lawmakers: Reps. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Mo Brooks (Ala.) and Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), all hard-line Trump supporters.

“We four schemed up of putting maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting,” Alexander said in a since-deleted video on Periscope highlighted by the Project on Government Oversight, an investigative nonprofit. The plan, he said, was to “change the hearts and the minds of Republicans who were in that body, hearing our loud roar from outside.”

After riots inside the Capitol left five people dead — and Alexander and his group were banned from Twitter this week — those three GOP lawmakers are now under increasing scrutiny over their role in aiding the right-wing activist.

In separate statements to The Washington Post, spokesmen for Biggs and Brooks denied that the congressmen had helped Alexander organize a rally on Jan. 6. Gosar did not respond to requests for comment.

“Congressman Biggs is not aware of hearing of or meeting Mr. Alexander at any point — let alone working with him to organize some part of a planned protest,” said a spokesman for Biggs.

Brooks, who spoke at the rally, said he did so in response to an invitation from the White House the day before. But the Alabama lawmaker “has no recollection of ever communicating in any way with whoever Ali Alexander is,” a statement from his office said.

Videos and posts on social media suggest links between all three Republicans and the right-wing activist.

Alexander, a felon who has also been identified in media reports as Ali Akbar, gained a large following by live-streaming monologues in which he professed his conservative views and support for Trump. Speaking to Politico Magazine in 2018, he called himself an “interpreter of energy for this period.”

In June 2019, Donald Trump Jr. retweeted Alexander’s false claim that Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris is not an “American Black.” The following month, Alexander attended a “social media summit” at the White House, alongside a number of far-right figures who had accused companies of anti-conservative bias.

After Trump lost in November, the Daily Beast noted, Alexander positioned himself as a leading voice behind the movement to support the president’s challenge to the election results. He was labeled “a true patriot” by Gosar on Twitter, and on Dec. 19, the two both spoke at a “Stop the Steal” rally in Phoenix.

"We will not go quietly. We’ll shut down this country if we have to,” Alexander told the crowd, later leading them in a chant of “1776.”

Later on at the event, Alexander played a video message from Biggs, calling the lawmaker a “friend” and “hero.” In the recording, Biggs said he wished he could have attended the event and vowed to challenge the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

“When it comes to January 6, I will be right down there in the well of the House with my friend from Alabama representative Mo Brooks,” Biggs said in the recording. A tweet from Alexander, including the message from Biggs, was retweeted by Trump on Dec. 26.

A Biggs spokesperson told CNN that the congressman recorded the video following a request from Gosar’s staff.

By late December, Alexander said he was planning a protest outside the Capitol on Jan. 6. His event appears to be one of at least four competing rallies that had sought permits for that date. But far-right online forums indicated Trump supporters were preparing for more than just a rally — and Alexander, too, appeared to suggest protesters might do more than just wave signs.

If Democrats got in the way of an objection from congressional Republicans, “everyone can guess what me and 500,000 others will do to that building,” he wrote on Twitter in December, according to the Daily Beast. “1776 is *always* an option.”

At a rally the night before the vote, Alexander led the crowd in chanting, “Victory or death!” The following morning, Gosar tagged the activist in several tweets.

"Biden should concede.   I want his concession on my desk tomorrow morning. Don’t make me come over there." Paul Gosar (R-AZ)

Recounting the riot in a video on Periscope over the weekend, Alexander said he wished people had not entered the U.S. Capitol or even gone on the steps. He also argued the rioters had not necessarily violated the law, even though dozens have now been charged by federal prosecutors.

In an email to The Post, Alexander said he had “remained peaceful” during the riots and claimed his earlier speeches “mentioned peace” and were being misrepresented.

“Conflating our legally, peaceful permitted events with the breach of the US Capitol building is defamatory and false,” he said. “People are being misled and then those same people are fomenting violence against me and my team.”

At around 4:30 p.m. on Wednesday — about two hours after rioters breached the Capitol — Alexander posted a video of himself overlooking the crowd outside the building, claiming the majority of protesters were peaceful and praising those who didn’t go inside.

But, he said in the video, “I don’t disavow this. I do not denounce this.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/ali-alexander-capitol-biggs-gosar/

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2021, 07:21:16 AM »
Every person who committed a crime that day, no matter how petty, was tracked down by the FBI.  Tactical SWAT teams raided the homes of school teachers with no criminal history.  The lies in Afghanistan, however, continued to the very end without any similar accountability.  The US military killed an entire family including several children in a drone strike that they claimed was against a terrorist.  They claimed this was proven by a "secondary" explosion.  It turns out they killed an aid worker taking water to his family.  Where is the investigation and outrage for the lies and incompetence that resulted in the deaths of several children?  Are you emotionally and intellectually prepared to ever hold anyone in the government accountable except for Trump?  The political theatrics around events like Jan. 6 are just political gaslighting to distract from more important matters.  COVID case are up 300% under Biden even with the vaccine widely available, Afghanistan was left in chaos but only after the murder of more innocents on both sides,  more lies were told, no one was held accountable but let's talk on and on about Jan. 6.

There's nothing in your post that is not expected of a Russian propagandist, so why post it? In fact, the truth is very close to the opposite of what you've posted.

As of August 6,

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Public Assistance:

Citizens from around the country have provided more than 200,000 digital media tips, and the FBI continues to request the public’s assistance in identifying individuals sought in connection to the January 6th attack.
In particular, the FBI is currently seeking the public’s assistance in identifying more than 300 individuals believed to have committed violent acts on the Capitol grounds, including over 200 who assaulted police officers.
Additionally, the FBI has released 11 new videos of suspects in violent assaults on federal officers on January 6th and is seeking the public’s help to identify them. For images and video of the attackers, please visit https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence. Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2021, 10:09:03 AM »
It's amazing that so much time and energy has been expended on this story.  Meanwhile there were decades of intentional and verifiable lies told by a laundry list of politicians and military members dating back decades that resulted in decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush, Cheney, Powell, Obama, Hillary etc.  Lies that resulted it the deaths of thousands of Americans and untold numbers of folks in those countries.  The expenditure of trillions of dollars for no purpose.  But no one cares.  What they care about is some guy who painted his face and wore a horned helmet while walking through the Capitol.

Investigating an attempted overthrow of the US Government is not a waste of time. The overwhelming majority of Americans support the investigation.
 

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2021, 03:33:51 PM »
Investigating an attempted overthrow of the US Government is not a waste of time. The overwhelming majority of Americans support the investigation.

Again, the FBI has investigated this incident with every resource available to them.  They have arrested hundreds of people for mostly petty minor crimes.  They have found no evidence of any larger effort to "overthrow the US Government" because there is none.  This is a distraction from the very real disasters unfolding under Biden.  Pandemic cases are up 300% even with the vaccine widely available.  Afghanistan ended in chaos and more unnecessary deaths.  A drone strike was launched on a humanitarian aid worker and his family resulting in the deaths of many children to show that Biden was not weak and incompetent in the aftermath of the bombing at the Kabul airport.  The Biden administration has lied and covered up that incident to suggest they killed a terrorist.  How about investigating that with the same rigor as the Jan. 6 incident?  How about someone be held accountable for the lies and cover ups in Afghanistan that resulted in the deaths of thousands?  Where is Liz Cheney on that issue?  How about investigating her father as a war criminal for the intentional lies he told that resulted in untold numbers of deaths?