Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?

[John Mytton]

What makes you think that your interpretation of what's visible in the Zapruder film trumps anything?  That's some arrogance.

In the following stabilized gif in the area which Jackie reaches over, there doesn't appear to be anything visible on the trunk.





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[John Iacoletti]

My mistake. I shouldn?t believe what my eyes see. I should believe what CTers tell me to believe.

I am simply not going to believe there was a piece of skull or brain on the trunk without it showing on film. I do not buy the concept of invisible bone or brain matter, which was visible to Jackie.

Questions:

Which Zapruder frame most clearly shows this material?

Can you provide me a link to a photograph from a Zapruder frame that most clearly shows this material?

Sigh.....did you even read what Dillon just wrote above?

Believe what you like, but don't pretend that what you think you see or don't see settles the matter.  Walt thinks he sees a rifle sticking out of the window in the Powell photo.

[Steve Barber]

Sigh.....did you even read what Dillon just wrote above?

Believe what you like, but don't pretend that what you think you see or don't see settles the matter.  Walt thinks he sees a rifle sticking out of the window in the Powell photo.

 What Dillon said is fine, but...the fact that Mrs. Kennedy couldn't have possibly seen anything flying to the rear is supported by the fact that the film clearly reveals that her head never turned in that direction before she started to exit the seat. Her sole focus is on the damage to the top of her husband's shattered head.

[Dillon Rankine]

Her sole focus is on the damage to the top of her husband's shattered head.

Looking at this wound, she may have witnessed (as she claimed to) wound debris detaching and flying off in a direction she felt sufficiently justified to be the rear that she attempted to retrieve it.

[Steve Barber]

Looking at this wound, she may have witnessed (as she claimed to) wound debris detaching and flying off in a direction she felt sufficiently justified to be the rear that she attempted to retrieve it.

  I respectfully disagree.   She's getting out of there in shock. Watch how she shoves his head forward, then pushes it away from her as she rises from the seat. 

[Bill Chapman]

Nonsense. She's getting out of there in shock. Watch how she shoves his head forward, then pushes it away from her as she rises from the seat.

Sounds like shock to me.

"You know, then, there were pictures later on of me climbing out the back. But I don't remember that at all." ---Jackie Kennedy testimony.

[Dillon Rankine]

  I respectfully disagree.   She's getting out of there in shock. Watch how she shoves his head forward, then pushes it away from her as she rises from the seat.

That was one of the early theories but it hasn?t stood the test of time. I?m not one for subjective photographic interpretation, so I?ll keep my hat out of the ring as for specifics as I don?t see the issue as being especially relevant. If the debris flew backwards but only so far as the trunk, that?s no smoking gun for conspiracy.

[Steve Barber]

That was one of the early theories but it hasn?t stood the test of time. I?m not one for subjective photographic interpretation, so I?ll keep my hat out of the ring as for specifics as I don?t see the issue as being especially relevant. If the debris flew backwards but only so far as the trunk, that?s no smoking gun for conspiracy.

 Unfortunately, at one time, even I thought she went "reaching" for or "grabbed" a piece of head matter.  It wasn't until I saw a stabilized, crystal clear print of the film that I realized what happened with her right hand as soon as it met the surface of the trunk lid, then saw her land on her left elbow/forearm hard enough to move her entire upper body.  Conspiracy theorists constantly use the actions of Mrs. Kennedy to claim conspiracy.