Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2018, 09:33:53 PM »
I think you're making a mistake in assuming that Texas loved LBJ -- especially Dallas.

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2018, 11:18:34 PM »
How come when LBJ asked Judge Sarah T. Hughes to administer the oath of office on Air Force One, he happened to have a copy of it in his pocket? Imagine that.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2018, 01:36:08 AM »


I think you're making a mistake in assuming that Texas loved LBJ -- especially Dallas.


Well, if I made a mistake, JFK made a bigger one for not choosing a running mate who could help him win an important state that could go either way.

Could LBJ help win Dallas? Not really. It was conservative and very much against Civil Rights. But Texas on the whole was not so extreme. Texas voted for the Democratic candidate for President throughout the 1960?s, unlike the deep South. LBJ was helpful in swinging Texas JFK?s way in 1960 and would be again in 1964, if he was still on the ticket.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2018, 03:55:33 AM »


How come when LBJ asked Judge Sarah T. Hughes to administer the oath of office on Air Force One, he happened to have a copy of it in his pocket? Imagine that.


The oath of the office for the President of the United States is included in Article Two of the U. S. Constitution. It is inconceivable that the President, and his advisors would not carry copies of the Constitution with them wherever they may go. Some coincidence indeed.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2018, 05:33:03 AM »


The Constitution also states that there is an automatic transfer of power, thus, LBJ didn't need to be sworn in. Since he was carrying a copy of the Constitution according to you then he should have known this.


LBJ knew this but perhaps the Soviets didn?t. If not, this public ceremony, immediately announced to the world, would remove any doubts about whether the United States had a President of the United States. Or any doubts if the United States would be able to respond, immediately, to any sudden attack, nuclear or otherwise.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 05:38:09 AM »


How come when LBJ asked Judge Sarah T. Hughes to administer the oath of office on Air Force One, he happened to have a copy of it in his pocket? Imagine that.


When Jack made this post, he would have known that there was a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why LBJ would have a copy of the oath to the office of the President of the United States. It is contained within the U. S. Constitution. Or the person who relayed this information to Jack would have known. Either Jack should be ashamed, or angry at the person who gave him incomplete information.

But this is the tactic that I see CTers use time and time again. Give one some information. But not the total story, which would nullify or largely nullify the information they provided. It is the tactic of the side with a weak case for the truth.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 05:46:14 PM »
The Constitution also states that there is an automatic transfer of power, thus, LBJ didn't need to be sworn in. Since he was carrying a copy of the Constitution according to you then he should have known this.

He wanted the photo op.