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Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Joe Elliott on February 27, 2018, 06:27:28 AM ---In 1960, in Texas, the Democrats got 50.52 % of the vote to the Republican?s 48.52 % of the vote, narrowly giving the state to JFK.
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Nixon was a sitting vice-president. JFK was a relative unknown.
--- Quote ---In 1964, in a landslide election, Democrats got 63.32 % of the vote to the Republican?s 36.49 % of the vote, giving the election to Johnson. The large margin of victory was due to the public?s concern over Goldwater getting us into war.
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You don't think the same would have been the case if JFK had lived?
--- Quote ---In 1968, in Texas, the Democrats got 41.14 % of the vote to the Republican?s 39.97 % of the vote, narrowly giving the state to Humphrey. Many voted for Wallace.
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Exactly. Wallace got the Southern Democrat vote.
--- Quote ---Having Johnson on the ticket in 1960 caused many Texan?s to vote for Kennedy. They did not like the Democratic party?s support for Civil Rights. But they can overcome this concern if it means they can vote for a Texan, even as only a Vice President.
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Civil rights wasn't much of a thing yet in 1960.
Richard Smith:
Robert Caro makes a decent case that LBJ might have been dropped from the ticket. He is the foremost historian on LBJ so that carries some weight. But it makes absolutely no difference in regards to the assassination since LBJ had nothing to do with it.
Mike Orr:
Why didn't LBJ ride in the same limo as JFK instead of back in the pack ?
Joe Elliott:
--- Quote from: Richard Smith on February 27, 2018, 06:18:44 PM ---
Robert Caro makes a decent case that LBJ might have been dropped from the ticket. He is the foremost historian on LBJ so that carries some weight. But it makes absolutely no difference in regards to the assassination since LBJ had nothing to do with it.
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Questions:
Does Robert Caro explain why Kennedy is campaigning in Texas in November in 1963 while he is planning to undo this work by dropping Johnson from the ticket?
Does Robert Caro even address this issue?
Does Robert Caro explicitly state that as of November 1963, JFK was still planning on dropping LBJ?
Regardless of how eminent a historian Robert Caro is, I can?t buy his arguments if he does not address this issue.
If JFK was considering dropping LBJ from the ticket, he must have decided not to by the time of the November 1963 trip to Texas.
Presidential candidates campaign in states that are important, that can go either way. They like to campaign in larger states, but what is even more important, they chose states that can go either way. That is why candidates largely avoid campaigning in California or Texas today, because, in all but a landslide election, California will vote Democratic and Texas Republican.
Candidates who campaign in states don?t do stuff that will alienate that state. A candidate won?t campaign in Texas if he is planning on dropping a Texan as his running mate. A candidate won?t campaign in Texas if he is planning, let?s say, not installing the NASA headquarters in Texas but in some other state. If either of these actions are necessary, he needs to write off Texas and campaign in a different state that may go either way.
John Iacoletti:
I think you're making a mistake in assuming that Texas loved LBJ -- especially Dallas.
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