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Oswald's 52 seconds near the coke machine.

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Marjan Rynkiewicz:
Ok, Geneva Hine might be a problem for our timeline, lemmeseenow.
The phone lights die out.  [The time is now say -1:00]
She walks to an eastern window.  [-0:50]
She sees the lead car coming along Houston St.  [-0:30]
She sees the JFK limo turn into Elm St. [-0:05]
She hears a shot. [0:01]
She hears 2 more shots.  [0:11].
She sees gawkers running & hitting the deck in Elm St (east end)(east end of east end). [0:20]
She walks south into the front Foyer to a locked office door & knocks, & yells, but no-one answers.  [0:25]
She walks north up the corridor & then west along the corridor to another locked office door, & shakes the door & yells & yells, but is ignored. [0:40]
She walks west along the corridor & then north along the corridor, & opens a door to the lunchroom entrance hall, & enters the hall. [0:45]
She turns & opens a door into the north west corner of her office, & enters the office.  [0:48]
Oswald exits the stairs & sees the door to the office closing behind Hine.  [0:48]
Phew.  That was a close shave. But the timeline works ok. Just.

Hmmmmm. Later, at 1:55, ie at 115 sec, Oswald enters that there same door, into that there office, instead of using the corridor.
We know that he enters at 115 sec koz he meets Jeraldean Reid at 118 sec, just before she gets to her desk at 120 sec.
Reid did 3 re-enactments of her traject from Elm St after the shots, & they all came to 120 sec.
Anyhow, i dont think that Oswald would have entered that there office if he knew for sure that someone was in there.
In which case Hine entered her office at 0:47, & Oswald didn't see her enter.
Re Hine versus Oswald, if u prefer, Hine entered her office at 0:48, & Oswald entered the 2nd floor at 0:49.
Yep, anyhow, one way or the other, Oswald was 1 sec later than Hine.
Hine walks to the phone desk. The 3 phone lines are going bezerk. [0:55]
Oswald enters Hine's office [1:55] & passes Jackalean Reid. [1:58]
Oswald walks past Hine & out of her office into the 2nd floor Lobby. [2:05]
Hine duznt notice Oswald, she is juggling the phones.

Now, if Oswald got to the 2nd floor at 48 sec, & if Baker & Truly got to the 2nd floor at 100 sec, then that means that Oswald dillyd for 52 sec.
And if he entered the office at 155 sec, then that means that he dallyd for another 55 sec, which adds to 107 sec of dillydally near the coke machine.
Anyhow it all turned out ok. 
Except that he lost his jacket.
And a Carcano.
And one bullet.
And a brown paper bag.
And some curtain rods.

Which leaves us with one obvious question.
Where is Waxahachie?
Waxahachie might make a good Sister City for Wagga Wagga.

Marjan Rynkiewicz:
In that pix there duznt look to be a door in that penthouse.



That penthouse was originally the support for the water tank.  It wasn't a house for the stairs. 
Truly said there was a door.  I reckon that there was no door, there was a hatch or trapdoor at the top of the stairs.
Plus there was a hatch/trapdoor at the top of the ladder near the rear elevators.
And the stairway from the 7th floor to the roof was blocked, the wooden stairs must have been rotten.
They might have been the original timber, that had been sitting under the dripping tank for years.
Anyhow, a door or hatch or trapdoor slammed shut in the wind 4 minutes after the shots, while Baker & Truly were on the roof.

Alan Ford:

--- Quote from: Marjan Rynkiewicz on May 28, 2021, 11:39:29 PM ---Anyhow, a door or hatch or trapdoor slammed shut in the wind 4 minutes after the shots, while Baker & Truly were on the roof.

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You started well enough with a tentative speculation ("one possibility is that he heard a sound related to Baker and Truly's running around on the roof, and subsequent descent using the east elevator. Was it the slamming of the door to the roof?") but now you magically convert it into a confident statement of fact ("Anyway, a door or hatch or trapdoor slammed shut").

Jerry Freeman:

--- Quote from: Otto Beck on May 25, 2021, 02:38:37 PM ---So, what is your take on Tippit picking up (or intercepting) Oswald?

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Reply 1---
--- Quote --- Getting caught walking in shouldn’t result in getting bitten by a cop. No, the jacket is a dead duck...  He decides to get out of there asap ...Tippit is waiting.
 
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Code? Something about they were going duck hunting and J D had his coat and they had to leave in a hurry or he would bite Oswald.  I don't know...I got lost too.

Marjan Rynkiewicz:

--- Quote from: Alan Ford on May 30, 2021, 02:16:19 AM ---You started well enough with a tentative speculation ("one possibility is that he heard a sound related to Baker and Truly's running around on the roof, and subsequent descent using the east elevator. Was it the slamming of the door to the roof?") but now you magically convert it into a confident statement of fact ("Anyway, a door or hatch or trapdoor slammed shut").

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Re "possibility" here i was quoting i think pat speer or someone else quoting pat speer.
Yes & of course my own confident statement should have had an "i reckon that" in there somewhere.  This must be the first time i have ever left out an "i reckon" & i got bitten.
But i am pretty sure. We have Dougherty. And Price. And a cop (whose name i can't remember) on the opposite rooftop (i think he said 4 minutes after the shots).
And no-one seemed to hear at ground level.
And the pigeons hadn't yet returned. Mightbe they never did return.

And on a different subject i have edited my older postings to erase mention of a power outage, until i see proof of an outage.

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