DPD Tapes and a 6 Minute Discrepancy

[Bill Chapman]

No, I'm just going to spend my time watching you making a fool of yourself time after time with your gifs, videos and telegram style posts.

after your thousands of posts

I will never get anywhere close to the number of posts you have created on this forum and elsewhere.

But if this comment is the best you can do, instead of actually have a debate, there isn't much point in discussing anything with you, really... is there now?

I know, and have known for a long time, that you are jealous about my life, but there is nothing much I can do about that. If you had a better education you might have had a similar life style, rather than living a routine suburban life. But it's what it is...

telegram style posts
Show us where JohnM has ever posted telegram style
That's me, you tipsy bugger.


BILL CHAPMAN

[Mitch Todd]

Mitch Todd: What you are saying is that Bowley's watch must be correct be cause it fits your timeline. That line of argument says more about your ego than it does about the accuracy of Bowley's watch. Sniping aside, you're really down to arguing that Bowley's watch must be correct because it fits your timeline ...

Pretty hollow coming from one of the guys who assumes the time checks on the dictabelt recordings must be correct because it fits your timeline.

I never "assume[d] the time checks on the dictabelt recordings must be correct."  I've said that any clock in common use back in those days could generally be assumed to only be within five minutes of standard time. I amended that to -3/+1 minutes for DPD channel one, because you can reference it to channel two and channel two to other independently set clocks like the Hertz billboard, Kellerman's watch, Sorrels' watch, and Powers' watch. It's really more like -2/+0, but I'm feeling generous.

Really, you had to completely misrepresent what I said?

MT: When you actually look at the data in the transcripts and the recordings themselves, you'll find that that Bowles and Cason were correct when they said that the DPD kept the dispatcher clocks within a minute of each other.

When did Bowles say that?

When he said "When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments." Also see the testimony of Frances Cason, who worked as a telephone operator in the dispatch center: "And when we find these errors in these clocks this way, someone in the office usually adjusts them to where they all are stamping the same time. It doesn't happen very often that they get out of time, but sometimes they do."

Irrelevant, even if that was demonstrable.  Even if two clocks agree with each other that doesn't mean that either one is correct.

Not two clocks. Five. I can spot you one if you want to believe that the SS agents kept their watches in sync. But that's still four independent clocks in agreement.
At some point, the regression towards the meaning far beyond being just some phrase that you don't understand.

What Dudley Hughes data?

The Dudley Hughes data as reported by the Nashes, as has already been discussed.

[Mitch Todd]

Before I continue, let me note that this particular assertion by Weidman caught my eye:

DPD officers Poe and Jez (squad car 105) wrote in their supplementary offense report that at approximently 1:10 they heard on the radio that a police officer was involved in a shooting at East Tenth Street.

I've been looking for Poe's and Jez's supplementary report as mentioned by Martin, but all I can find is this one where they hear the radio report at 1:18 PM. Is there another copy that says 1:10, or did Martin just make a mistake?



 

[Bill Brown]

Here's an example. Callaway was only less than a block away from the scene. It took him no more than 3 minutes to get to 10th street. When he arrived there, Bowley was already there and had already made his 46 seconds long call. According to Bill Brown the actual DPD recording (he heard at Dale Myers home) has Benavides tapping the mic for roughly two minutes before Bowley took it over...

I cleared this up with Myers a few days ago.  It was much closer to ninety seconds.

[Bill Brown]

(Boots-on-the-Ground)
Based on his latest performance, how about foot-in-mouth?

How so?

[Bill Brown]

Use Profile | Show Posts if your memory fails you.

Okay.  So I haven't stuck my foot in my mouth after all.  Fair enough.

[Martin Weidmann]

"Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute or two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example." J.C. Bowles (supervisor of the DPD dispatchers)

JohnM

You forgot the rest;

A master clock on the telephone room wall was connected to the City Hall system. This clock reported "official" time. Within the dispatcher's office there were numerous other time giving and time recording devices, both in the telephone room and in the radio room. Telephone operators and radio operators were furnished "Simplex" clocks. Because the hands often worked loose, they indicated the incorrect time. However, their purpose was to stamp the time, day and date on incoming calls. While they were reliable at this, they were not synchronized as stated in the Committee report. Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example. When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done.

and you also ignored overlooked this;

It is, however, important to remember that

1. No exact record of "time" exists;
2. The several clocks were not synchronized;
3. The radio operators were not exact with regard to "time statements" on either radio;