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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2021, 08:48:47 PM »
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Good afternoon, Mr. Unger, first things first, the research community certainly owes you a great deal of gratitude for your exemplary photographic archives, so add my thanks & appreciation to all the rest.

Now, Do you care to elaborate on the gentleman you highlighted; and, his significance as it relates to the still-frame captured by Mr. Mentesana...

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2021, 09:12:27 PM »
The only problem with the "pristine" bus transfer is, it actually isn't! Doh!

The back of Oswald's bus transfer shows numerous creases


Mr. BALL - Did your punch mark have a distinctive mark?
Mr. McWATTERS - It had a distinctive mark and it is registered, in other words, all the drivers, every driver has a different punch mark.
Mr. BALL - What makes it different?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, it is, it would be, the symbol of it or angle, in other words, every one; it is different, in other words.
Mr. BALL - You have a punch there?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; I have the punch right here.
Mr. BALL - Is that the punch that you used?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is the punch I used.
Mr. BALL - Will you punch a piece of paper and show us?
Mr. McWATTERS - In other words, that is the type of punch that this one makes right here, in other words.
Mr. BALL - That is a different type of punch than any other driver has?
Mr. McWATTERS - Any driver, in other words.
Mr. BALL - On any bus in Dallas?
Mr. McWATTERS - In other words, the superintendent has a list, in other words, it would be just like this and every man has a punch and he has his name, and everything. In other words, if anyone calls in about a transfer or anything, I mean brings one in he can look right down the list by the punch mark and tell whose punch it is, and who it is registered to.
Mr. BALL - Now, the sample of your punch there has been on a piece of paper and we would like to have it marked as 372 at this time.
(The paper referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 372 and received in evidence.)




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2014: Mr. Mytton defending the hastily contrived script.
2021: Mr. Mytton still defending the hastily contrived script.

Can't knock your consistency sir. However, ask yourself a few simple questions--given the image you shared--and be as honest/objective as possible ---->

*Do you find it just a little bit strange that all those clock-punches align so nicely?

well, manufactured "evidence" always seem to...

C'mon--given that intense physical altercation with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five adrenline pumped officers ripping and tearing his shirt this way and that way, while pummeling him those "punches" alone wouldn't align, let alone the bus transfer be void of ripping and major tearing after that intense struggle.

*Take an honest look at the photos of the wrongly accused's torn shirt shared by Mr. Chapman in Post 9, and explain to those reading along how buttons--of much higher material-quality--have been torn off the shirt in at least two places that all of us can clearly see, yet those "punches" align so perfectly on mere paper...

manufactured "evidence" always seems to align perfectly when framing an innocent party.

*Lastly,  take an honest look at the wrongly accused's shirt pockets and explain to the rest of us how two officers (their words, not mine) grasped him in the front amid that intense struggle and finally was able to push him down. How did the bus transfer void tearing with that much adrenaline in the tight grips of those officers from the front of the wrongly accused, let alone the two officers on either side of him pulling and ripping his shirt in opposite directions...

I'm all ears Mr. Mytton. However, fair warning I'm no longer, what was that Mr. MacRae use to call me in 2014 when I dared to enter the fray, the "rookie of the year"; and, remember, this time you don't have the luxury of the late Gary Mack (RIP) sending me a flood of PM's telling an impressionable rookie, quote, "You got this wrong Kid, you got that wrong Kid".  Again, as honestly as you can in an objective manner--no CT this or that sir--just account for why that mere paper transfer isn't akin to mere paper involved in an intense physical altercation, fair enough?
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2021, 08:40:43 PM »
Good afternoon gentlemen,

While we await an honest, objective response from Mr. Mytton, convincing those of us reading along how that mere paper bus transfer voided tearing while the much higher quality material--the buttons--suffered extensive damage, please let me share briefly the difference between the truth and a hastily contrived script.

Unlike a hastily contrived script, the plain simple truth rests upon a solid foundation, requiring no revision(s), do-overs, nor phantom bus rides, bogus manufactured bus-transfers or fictitious cab rides either. The wrongly accused told his interrogators his legitimate actions and whereabouts on that fateful afternoon back in November, 1963. Because he was telling them the truth there would be no audio recording of his statements...just their hastily contrived, scripted narrative mired in the stench of horse manure.

Looooong after their false-narrative about a hasty escape, the wrongly accused was still in Dealey Plaza:

*coming to the aid of Inspector Sawyer on the first floor near the passenger elevator (12:34PM)

*coming to the aid of a rookie news reporter, telling him where he could find a phone to use, as he himself exited the building via the front entrance (the rookie reporter's words, not mine (12:36/37 +/- 1 minute.

*standing outside with his immediate supervisor, Mr. Shelley (Bill) for, quote, "5-10 minutes" (12:37-12:42/49 +/- 5 minutes) which--given the still-frame from Mr. Mentesana's filming experience--we do indeed actually see two men standing there together with an uncanny resemblance to both the wrongly accused and Mr. Shelley. It is no coincidence that the man in the business suit is dressed in the same manner as Mr. Shelley; and, it s no coincidence that the man standing there next to him is in the wrongly accused's clothing colours from top to bottom...once again, top to bottom...last time, top to bottom.

It is no coincidence that the man in the business suit is Mr. Shelley's height and furthermore his overall build as well (if you have time watch the Shelley, Arce and Williams arrest video and compare Mr. Shelley's dress, height and overall build). At 12:42/47 PM +/- 5 minutes either way the wrongly accused is nowhere near 10th & Patton folks...not even close.

No wonder there isn't any audio recording of the multiple interrogation sessions w/the wrongly accused, otherwise the hastily contrived script would have been exposed for what it is: manufactured "evidence" to frame an innocent party. Back next week G-d willing, meanwhile best to all to remain safe, well & healthy amid the lingering pandemic challenges we all face.

The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.









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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2021, 09:33:38 PM »
Still awaiting an honest, objective response from Mr. Mytton...in his defense, it's not easy to convince critical-thinkers how material of  higher quality (like those torn off buttons) on the wrongly accused's tattered shirt sustained considerable damage, while in contrast that mere paper bus-transfer--in spite of the same intense physical altercation with five highly adrenaline pumped officers is void of tearing/ripping...a small, but important detail overlooked amid a hastily contrived script to Frame an innocent party.  Unlike the plain simple truth deception requires revision(s), do-overs, etc.

For those of you who have the time, please read the Warren Commission testimony of the bus-driver, Mr. McWatters (Cecil) in its entirety. For the record, please note--during a police lineup later that evening he does not recognize the wrongly accused as the individual who got on his bus that fateful afternoon.

There's a reason for that...the wrongly accused did not get on a bus that afternoon. There's also major timing issues within Mr. McWatters' testimony--even IF the wrongly accused was in fact on his bus. Also amid your reading pay close attention to the following three characters ---->

*The man who steps out of his car snarled in traffic, and climbs aboard Mr. McWatter's bus (sitting behind him in traffic) to announce that the president has been shot.

*The lady with a suitcase who asks for and receives a bus-transfer from Mr. McWatters (following that announcement)

*The man who climbs aboard Mr. McWatter's bus only to ride it for two blocks, who follows the lead of the lady w/the suitcase, asking for a bus-transfer as well immediately after she does.

Strange shenanigans afoot...

Representative FORD - What happened?
Mr. McWATTERS - She got off and by the time when she was talking to me that is when he got up, this gentleman here in the seat got up, at seat "M" got off. In other words, the door was never closed of the bus from the time the gentleman stepped up in the door of that there, in other words, when he said what he did, and got on back in his car, in other words, the lady got off, and the man got off, too, both at the same stop.
In other words, the bus hadn't moved at that stop
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An intelligence cut out operation?
A pre-determined signal to take a course of action?

More important than the code-speak to secure those bus-transfers for later doctoring & planting to Frame an innocent party, here's what the actual bus driver had to say upon actually seeing the wrongly accused in a line-up ---->

Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.


There's a reason for that...the wrongly accused was nowhere near Mr. McWatter's bus, let alone a passenger on it....At the time the false-narrative amid a hastily contrived script places him on Mr. McWatter's bus, the wrongly-accused had just finished coming to the aid of Inspector Sawyer (12:34PM) inside the TSBD near the small storage room and passenger elevator on the first floor; then minutes later crossing-paths at the front-entrance of the TSBD with a rookie news reporter (12:37PM), asking where he could find use of a phone; and, of course, after pointing out a phone in the lobby to the news reporter, the wrongly accused ventures down the front steps, walks over to his supervisor to now stand outside with him for 5-10 minutes (12:42/47PM +/- 5 minutes),

essentially, nowhere near 10th & Patton...





 

 
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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2021, 01:14:06 AM »
Still awaiting an honest, objective response from Mr. Mytton...in his defense, it's not easy to convince critical-thinkers how material of  higher quality (like those torn off buttons) on the wrongly accused's tattered shirt sustained considerable damage, while in contrast that mere paper bus-transfer--in spite of the same intense physical altercation with five highly adrenaline pumped officers is void of tearing/ripping...a small, but important detail overlooked amid a hastily contrived script to Frame an innocent party.  Unlike the plain simple truth deception requires revision(s), do-overs, etc.

For those of you who have the time, please read the Warren Commission testimony of the bus-driver, Mr. McWatters (Cecil) in its entirety. For the record, please note--during a police lineup later that evening he does not recognize the wrongly accused as the individual who got on his bus that fateful afternoon.

There's a reason for that...the wrongly accused did not get on a bus that afternoon. There's also major timing issues within Mr. McWatters' testimony--even IF the wrongly accused was in fact on his bus. Also amid your reading pay close attention to the following three characters ---->

*The man who steps out of his car snarled in traffic, and climbs aboard Mr. McWatter's bus (sitting behind him in traffic) to announce that the president has been shot.

*The lady with a suitcase who asks for and receives a bus-transfer from Mr. McWatters (following that announcement)

*The man who climbs aboard Mr. McWatter's bus only to ride it for two blocks, who follows the lead of the lady w/the suitcase, asking for a bus-transfer as well immediately after she does.

Strange shenanigans afoot...

Representative FORD - What happened?
Mr. McWATTERS - She got off and by the time when she was talking to me that is when he got up, this gentleman here in the seat got up, at seat "M" got off. In other words, the door was never closed of the bus from the time the gentleman stepped up in the door of that there, in other words, when he said what he did, and got on back in his car, in other words, the lady got off, and the man got off, too, both at the same stop.
In other words, the bus hadn't moved at that stop
.

An intelligence cut out operation?
A pre-determined signal to take a course of action?

More important than the code-speak to secure those bus-transfers for later doctoring & planting to Frame an innocent party, here's what the actual bus driver had to say upon actually seeing the wrongly accused in a line-up ---->

Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.


There's a reason for that...the wrongly accused was nowhere near Mr. McWatter's bus, let alone a passenger on it....At the time the false-narrative amid a hastily contrived script places him on Mr. McWatter's bus, the wrongly-accused had just finished coming to the aid of Inspector Sawyer (12:34PM) inside the TSBD near the small storage room and passenger elevator on the first floor; then minutes later crossing-paths at the front-entrance of the TSBD with a rookie news reporter (12:37PM), asking where he could find use of a phone; and, of course, after pointing out a phone in the lobby to the news reporter, the wrongly accused ventures down the front steps, walks over to his supervisor to now stand outside with him for 5-10 minutes (12:42/47PM +/- 5 minutes),

essentially, nowhere near 10th & Patton...

C'mon Alan, you ​first you claim the bus transfer is "pristine" clearly implying that there was evidence manipulation, but after I showed evidence to the contrary you never acknowledge your error and instead shift the goalposts, why is it Alan, if you honestly believe "The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody." then why the continual efforts of shielding yourself from the truth?

Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence and see where that goes, the genuinely PRISTINE pockets on the front of Oswald's shirt are not torn and in fact show no signs of destruction, wouldn't you expect 5 testosterone infused man beasts to thoroughly destroy that part of the shirt, that is if they actually manhandled Oswald in that precise area?




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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2021, 01:52:17 AM »
C'mon Alan, you ​first you claim the bus transfer is "pristine" clearly implying that there was evidence manipulation, but after I showed evidence to the contrary you never acknowledge your error and instead shift the goalposts, why is it Alan, if you honestly believe "The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody." then why the continual efforts of shielding yourself from the truth?

Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence and see where that goes, the genuinely PRISTINE pockets on the front of Oswald's shirt are not torn or in fact show no signs of destruction, wouldn't you expect 5 testosterone infused man beasts to thoroughly destroy that part of the shirt, that is if they actually manhandled Oswald in that precise area?




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Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence

Did you really just say this? I mean, really    :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2021, 04:30:11 AM »
The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

That's right: He didn't shoot just anybody: He shot a somebody. And remains a nobody. Who shot himself in the foot as soon as he buggered off from work. And sealed the deal when he was observed shooting the poor dumb cop. And doubled-down, really nailed it, at the movies where he tried to shoot more cops.

The little prick would fry.
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« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2021, 04:17:08 PM »
Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence

Did you really just say this? I mean, really    :D :D :D :D :D

Are you saying the shirt pocket + area was torn/beaten up like Ice- Model-T is claiming..
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