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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2021, 02:07:53 PM »
I've expressed my dislike - to put it mildly - with Trump and his unbelievably unethical cronies but the corruption by the major news media over these years is remarkable. What kind of sourcing do they do on these stories now? Do they just accept a leak and then run with it? What is their confirmation? Calling the same source up and asking them again?

There used to be a rule by reporters that if an unnamed source lied to them that the promise of anonymity ended, that they would expose that source. Well, clearly there have been a series of falsehoods leaked by people in the DOJ and FBI and CIA over these years but the media won't expose them. Or hasn't. The media should be furious with being used like this. But they don't seem to be.

The leftwing writer Glenn Greenwald wrote a longish piece on this issue. It's here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/corporate-news-outlets-again-confirm

He also Tweeted this:  "In preparation for this writing this article, I spent the day notifying close to a dozen of these media luminaries that their false tweet [about Giuliani being warned] remained up and asked whether they intend to take it down and/or correct the false tweet. Only one - NBC White House Correspondent Geoff Bennett - responded. He did so by blocking me on Twitter, while leaving the false tweet up, uncorrected."

Opposing Trump shouldn't justify abandoning all and every journalistic standard. Apparently it does. Thus the corruption. If this can be done for Trump, why not others? What are the rules now?

I don't know when this trend began but it does seem like the Press has for the most part become stenographers for the National Security Community.

And the worst part is that there are few, if any, consequences for getting stories they inaccurately report on wrong...

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2021, 01:36:39 AM »
Sit back and enjoy Richard, the fun is just getting started. Criminal Donald and his criminal henchmen are all going down.  Richard is using projection and gaslighting us again. The right wing media is the fake news.

NY Post reporter who penned fake article on Kamala Harris’ book says she was ‘ordered’ to write it
https://www.rawstory.com/ny-post-reporter-who-penned-fake-article-on-kamala-harris-book-says-she-was-ordered-to-write-it/

Rudy Giuliani's home, office searched by federal agents as part of lobbying probe, sources tell ABC News
Sources say Giuliani's electronic devices were confiscated by authorities

https://abcnews.go.com/US/rudy-giulianis-home-office-searched-federal-agents-part/story?id=77368884

FBI seizes electronics from Rudy Giuliani's Manhattan apartment
https://abc7ny.com/politics/fbi-seizes-electronics-from-rudy-giulianis-nyc-apartment/10556451/

A grand jury has been impaneled in the federal investigation into Rudy Giuliani
https://www.businessinsider.com/grand-jury-has-been-impaneled-the-federal-investigation-into-giuliani-2021-4

It has nothing to do with me.  Take it up with the media that keeps retracting fake news stories.  And note that the FEC quietly closed the investigation into an alleged campaign finance violation involving Stormy Daniels.  The woman who tried to blackmail Trump and should have gone to jail.  A story that CNN breathlessly ran for months with her now convicted attorney as the star on TV every night.   

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2021, 07:32:28 PM »
It has nothing to do with me.  Take it up with the media that keeps retracting fake news stories.  And note that the FEC quietly closed the investigation into an alleged campaign finance violation involving Stormy Daniels.  The woman who tried to blackmail Trump and should have gone to jail.  A story that CNN breathlessly ran for months with her now convicted attorney as the star on TV every night.   
The tribal fanaticism by Mr. Plant is part of the problem we have. It's like a religious war now. You guys need to stop thinking about teams or tribes and think beyond that. You're not quite as bad as he is but you're succumbing to this type of worldview.

The incredibly courageous Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who saw tribal politics destroy her native country of Somalia, explains it in "Tribalism Comes to the West":

"While such violence is yet to seize America, all the tribalist ingredients are present. There is a blind commitment to one party or the other; emotions are running high; there is a lack of trust in civic institutions. If such tribalism isn’t overcome, it’s only a matter of time before the situation escalates."

And: "Many Republicans continue to dispute the legitimacy of the result of the last presidential election; while on the Left, the woke are eroding the Democratic Party from the inside, as identity politics displace universalist aspirations. Some citizens are viewed as part of oppressive groups, some as part of oppressed groups. A person’s individual actions can generally do little to change the immutable characteristics of the tribe to which they belong."

Really, this zero sum view of things has to stop.

Full piece here: https://www.somtribune.com/2021/05/10/tribalism-comes-to-the-west/

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2021, 03:32:01 AM »
The tribal fanaticism by Mr. Plant is part of the problem we have. It's like a religious war now. You guys need to stop thinking about teams or tribes and think beyond that. You're not quite as bad as he is but you're succumbing to this type of worldview.

The incredibly courageous Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who saw tribal politics destroy her native country of Somalia, explains it in "Tribalism Comes to the West":

"While such violence is yet to seize America, all the tribalist ingredients are present. There is a blind commitment to one party or the other; emotions are running high; there is a lack of trust in civic institutions. If such tribalism isn’t overcome, it’s only a matter of time before the situation escalates."

And: "Many Republicans continue to dispute the legitimacy of the result of the last presidential election; while on the Left, the woke are eroding the Democratic Party from the inside, as identity politics displace universalist aspirations. Some citizens are viewed as part of oppressive groups, some as part of oppressed groups. A person’s individual actions can generally do little to change the immutable characteristics of the tribe to which they belong."

Really, this zero sum view of things has to stop.

Full piece here: https://www.somtribune.com/2021/05/10/tribalism-comes-to-the-west/

I deal in results and facts and not hype.  Is Trump a nice guy or someone that I admire?  No.  But he didn't start wars under false pretense or engage in the hypocrisy of establishment politicians.  He is like the most unlikeable football coach whose team wins championships.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2021, 08:45:36 PM »
Where is the outrage about paying the Russian hackers $4 million to allow them to reopen the pipeline?  Wow.  What a failure of leadership.  If that had occurred under Trump the media would be howling with outrage.  A product of weakness and incompetence under Old Joe.  Putin must be laughing his arse off.  A handful of Russian teenagers are millionaires and shutdown the gas supply to half of the US.  A national security nightmare in which the terrorist have been emboldened.

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2021, 09:36:25 PM »
I deal in results and facts and not hype.  Is Trump a nice guy or someone that I admire?  No.  But he didn't start wars under false pretense or engage in the hypocrisy of establishment politicians.  He is like the most unlikeable football coach whose team wins championships.
One final try from me:

The fact is that Bush declared war not Cheney. And the fact is that Bush was told by his intelligence agencies that Iraq had WMD and a WMD program. George Tenet, the CIA director, told him, "It's a slam dunk" that Iraq had WMD. This was not Cheney telling him this.

And the fact is that numerous others governments also believed Iraq had WMDs. Did Tony Blair believe Dick Cheney? Or did he rely on his own intelligence services?

And the facts are that members of Congress based on their own briefings and intelligence provided to them by the intelligence agencies  - and NOT Cheney - believed there was WMDs in Iraq. And so they agreed to authorize the use of force - the war - that ensued.

And the fact is there were several investigations - including the Silberman/Robb report - that concluded that the intelligence agencies were wrong about the issue. The intelligence agencies and analysts informed Congress about the question. Congress has its own intelligence committees and oversight and staff. They got the information directly from the intelligence community and NOT Dick Cheney.

You think Hillary Clinton and Kerry and the other Democrats in Congress agreed to the authorization because they listened to Dick Cheney? You think the intelligence community told them there were no WMDs in Iraq but instead they believed Cheney's "lies"? Is that what you think happened?

The Silbermann/Robb Report concluded: "The Intelligence Community's performance in assessing Iraq's pre-war weapons of mass destruction programs was a major intelligence failure. The failure was not merely that the Intelligence Community's assessments were wrong. There were also serious shortcomings in the way these assessments were made and communicated to policymakers."

Again: The intelligence community said Iraq had WMDs. It wasn't Dick Cheney. You think they said there were no WMDs in Iraq and then Cheney made up a story that Iraq did have them? And then all of the Democrats believed Cheney? This is JFK conspiracy level fantasy.

This is not about Trump being likeable. It's about him telling egregious and dangerous falsehoods about the election and about his cavalier reaction - at best - to the assault on the Capitol.

Our institutions are under assault from the Trump right and the "woke" left. Both sides are undermining our institutions, our history, our country. This illiberal assault has to stop. There are no sides; there's just facts and the truth. And one of them, if not the main one is this: the election wasn't stolen. Period.


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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Trump-Russia: Bountygate
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2021, 11:02:04 PM »
Where is the outrage about paying the Russian hackers $4 million to allow them to reopen the pipeline?  Wow.  What a failure of leadership.  If that had occurred under Trump the media would be howling with outrage.  A product of weakness and incompetence under Old Joe.  Putin must be laughing his arse off.  A handful of Russian teenagers are millionaires and shutdown the gas supply to half of the US.  A national security nightmare in which the terrorist have been emboldened.

Colonial is a private company. It was their call.

They were losing millions of dollars for each day that the pipeline was not able to distribute Gas. So it makes sense to pay the ransom rather than lose the same amount of money or more due to delays in getting their computers back online.