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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2021, 04:17:12 PM »
Whatever... ::)
It boils down to this. Did the earth suffer koz JFK had his brain blown away.
No, i dont think so. JFK gave us Vietnam. The nuclear arms race. etc.
Oswald was a hero.
Hickey should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2021, 06:41:21 PM »
Sorry Joe, I completely disagree: the communist party, as I read things, absolutely controls the economy. The owners of the industries may be in private hands, owned by individuals; but they are only allowed to do only what the Party allow them to do.

Let's put it this way: Do you believe there's an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of businessmen and women and their privately owned businesses? If the Party wants to seize a business do you think that owners can go to a court and stop it? And a court will overrule the Party's wishes? I don't believe that's remotely possible. Is there an example of a Chinese court striking down an order by the Party? Overruling their authority? I think that is impossible in their system.

Remember that under the Nazis that industry was held by private individuals. But they were totally subservient to the state. It's quite similar.

Nazi Germany was a socialist dictatorship. The government determined what could and could not be manufactured and generally set quotas on the quantity on each product. It was a government-controlled economy, which is a big reason why their weapon production fell so far behind America’s.

The fact the Chinese government can seize a privately owned business at any time doesn’t matter, so long as they generally don’t. The government does not determine what products can or cannot be produced. It does not set the quantities. It does not set the prices of the goods that are sold within China or outside of China. It’s control of the economy is minimal.

A country is not socialist because it is a dictatorship and it can, any time it wants to, seize control of a company, or all companies, and institute a socialist economy. As long as it lets the free market reign, it is a capitalistic country.

And I should point out that supporters of socialism want to, desperately, point out an example of a successful socialist country. And generally, point to a “socialist” country that really isn’t. So, the Scandinavian countries are given as examples, even through they are really free market, capitalistic economies, with a high tax rate. A high tax rate does not make a socialist economy. A government-controlled economy where quantity of products produced and their prices are set by the government, not by the free market.

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2021, 06:58:08 PM »
It boils down to this. Did the earth suffer koz JFK had his brain blown away.
No, i dont think so. JFK gave us Vietnam. The nuclear arms race. etc.
Oswald was a hero.
Hickey should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

I don’t know where you are getting these ideas from. But you are seriously misguided.

Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2021, 01:59:35 AM »
I don’t know where you are getting these ideas from. But you are seriously misguided.
I was being a little tongue in cheek. But, seriously, we dont know what JFK might have done had he lived. Not much of any value i think. I dont know what Oswald was thinking. It was just an (almost sudden) silly suicidal action.
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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2021, 02:51:23 AM »
I was being a little tongue in cheek. But, seriously, we dont know what JFK might have done had he lived. Not much of any value i think. I dont know what Oswald was thinking. It was just an (almost sudden) silly suicidal action.

I think your tongue was somewhere else. You should use some mouthwash now.

Online Charles Collins

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2021, 02:51:38 AM »
I was being a little tongue in cheek. But, seriously, we dont know what JFK might have done had he lived. Not much of any value i think. I dont know what Oswald was thinking. It was just an (almost sudden) silly suicidal action.

There are some questions that can never be answered with any certainty. But we can have some better educated guesses if we learn what people who knew either JFK or LHO believe about them. There has been plenty written about both of them for us to absorb.

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2021, 03:37:02 AM »
Nazi Germany was a socialist dictatorship. The government determined what could and could not be manufactured and generally set quotas on the quantity on each product. It was a government-controlled economy, which is a big reason why their weapon production fell so far behind America’s.

The fact the Chinese government can seize a privately owned business at any time doesn’t matter, so long as they generally don’t. The government does not determine what products can or cannot be produced. It does not set the quantities. It does not set the prices of the goods that are sold within China or outside of China. It’s control of the economy is minimal.

A country is not socialist because it is a dictatorship and it can, any time it wants to, seize control of a company, or all companies, and institute a socialist economy. As long as it lets the free market reign, it is a capitalistic country.

And I should point out that supporters of socialism want to, desperately, point out an example of a successful socialist country. And generally, point to a “socialist” country that really isn’t. So, the Scandinavian countries are given as examples, even through they are really free market, capitalistic economies, with a high tax rate. A high tax rate does not make a socialist economy. A government-controlled economy where quantity of products produced and their prices are set by the government, not by the free market.

China is not purely socialist but they definitely don’t have a Free Market either.

They have a planned economy and heavy wealth redistribution. They’ve found ways to allow private business and property ownership within their system but they’re still proudly socialist.

In LHO’s time, China was still very poor and the USSR was a joke even to Oswald who ridiculed them.