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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #392 on: April 21, 2021, 11:16:20 AM »
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Oswald had more reason to position that top box with exact precision; thus gripping those back corners a little longer and more firmly... enough to establish a couple of usable prints and catch the little prick with his hand in the cookie jar, so-to-speak.

Can't you CT almost-geniuses figure out anything?

Non LNs are far better at figuring out things than you are at jumping to flawed conclusions.

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« Reply #392 on: April 21, 2021, 11:16:20 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #393 on: April 21, 2021, 11:25:30 AM »
In a recent interview on Quorum Radio, Mr Buell Wesley Frazier mentioned something I wasn't aware of. On the day Mr Oswald started working at the Depository, Mr Frazier was called by Mr Shelley over the speaker system. "They had speakers on each of the floors."

Given how unexpected Officer Baker's immediate dash into the building was, the question occurs: did somebody (I'm thinking Mr Shelley here) go back into the building just after Officer Baker and Mr Truly and broadcast a warning to those on six that a cop was on the way up?

Meanwhile, of course, the stupendously helpful Mr Truly did the one thing needful (the one thing, that is, after vouching for a non-employee caught walking away from the stairway several floors up!):

He contrived a way of keeping Officer Baker away from the sixth floor.

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Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #394 on: April 21, 2021, 11:34:59 AM »
Prove the lunch remains belonged to Mr Williams.

Asked and answered

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Disprove Mr Tom Alyea's emphatic claim that no chicken bones were found on the sixth floor.

Link please.
You know how this works

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This does not prove that he joined them on the 5th floor----------could have been the other way around.

Have you read Mr Norman's HSCA testimony?

All three men - Jarma, Norman and Williams - testify that Williams joined Jarman and Norman on the 5th floor.
Have you not read their WC testimonies?

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Mr Rowland's description of the man in the SN window fits Mr Piper. It does not fit Mr Williams. Saying 'Oh well, it's a black man so that'll do' is a weak cope.

There's no point in repeating this for the third time but here goes -
the testimonies of the officers that first see the SN place the lunch remains in/on the SN.
Williams testifies that they are his lunch remains.
The testimonies of Williams, Jarman and Norman have BRW on the 6th floor after 12:16, the time Rowland sees his man.
There is plenty of witness testimony that puts BRW in the SN eating his lunch at the time Rowland sees him there.
How is that weak?
You're just completely making up this "team" out of thin air. There is zero evidence for your "team" (but that's the usual amount of evidence you like to go off)

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The authorities knew the description fit Mr Piper--------it's the reason he was photographed by the FBI.

Unsupported waffle

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If the man was not Mr Piper then he was a non-employee. Your LN-lite attempts to keep the conspiracy in-house at all costs are rather desperate!

And your attempts to introduce a "team" are a joke and based on nothing.
What is the big evidence or witness testimony for your "team"?
« Last Edit: April 21, 2021, 11:35:36 AM by Dan O'meara »

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #395 on: April 21, 2021, 12:35:05 PM »
In a recent interview on Quorum Radio, Mr Buell Wesley Frazier mentioned something I wasn't aware of. On the day Mr Oswald started working at the Depository, Mr Frazier was called by Mr Shelley over the speaker system. "They had speakers on each of the floors."

Given how unexpected Officer Baker's immediate dash into the building was, the question occurs: did somebody (I'm thinking Mr Shelley here) go back into the building just after Officer Baker and Mr Truly and broadcast a warning to those on six that a cop was on the way up?

Meanwhile, of course, the stupendously helpful Mr Truly did the one thing needful (the one thing, that is, after vouching for a non-employee caught walking away from the stairway several floors up!):

He contrived a way of keeping Officer Baker away from the sixth floor.

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Shelley didn't enter the building until approx 5 minutes after the shooting. He and Lovelady can be seen on video walking to the railway yard, where they were seen by Victoria Adams.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #396 on: April 21, 2021, 01:17:16 PM »
For those that want to believe Alyea over seven officers that saw lunch remnants in the SN, prove he was there before Jerry Hill left. That is the critical information. Things are temporal in nature.

Also Williams was in the SN, he knew his fingerprints would be on the bag/bottle and he might be implicated. However Jack Ruby fixed things by Sunday lunchtime.

It is interesting to consider the relative positions of Williams and Dougherty just within minutes of the shooting.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #397 on: April 21, 2021, 03:47:16 PM »
The 6th floor was full of boxes and junk.  Terms like "SN" were not exactly precise or used the same way by every witness.  Recollections are not perfect.  The language used to describe the location of an object is sometimes imprecise.  It's entirely possible the lunch remains were moved around by the investigators and noticed on different boxes at different times.  Witnesses confused questions about the lunch sack with the longer bag).  And when all is said and done, the person who ate the lunch says he heard and saw nothing.  There is no credible reason for him to lie.  It's hard to believe that he would have forever remained silent had he seen someone on the 6th floor. 

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #398 on: April 21, 2021, 03:55:38 PM »
Non LNs are far better at figuring out things than you are at jumping to flawed conclusions.

Keep denying the fact that Oswald's prints clearly indicate that the box is being aimed straight down Elm, and tell us how your 'non-LNs' (aka Oswald Arse-Kissers) are better than yours truly (or, more importantly any other LN) at 'figuring out things'
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #399 on: April 21, 2021, 04:24:06 PM »
Unsupported waffle

Oh really? In that case you'll be able to tell us why Mr Piper was photographed by the FBI. Over to you:..............................