Et tu, Bonnie?

[Alan J. Ford]

Anyone have a picture of WFAA TV Reporter Tom Alyes' rather revealing photo of Roy Truly & Marrion Baker? That image alone voids the horse manure stench about them crawling upwards and through dirty grime, dust, sheet-metal etc... Not even a speck of dirt, grime, dust, etc on either of their pristine, unruffled dark clothing, let alone the pristine condition of Roy Truly's dark hat & glasses.

Moreover, given their own testimony--their words, not mine--they put themselves atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside for "5-10" minutes (Baker) and even longer in his flustered testimony (Roy Truly). So, in fairness, Are there any pictures--just one will do--that places them together atop that reinforced fortified roof in need of special equipment from the Fire Department to gain access? One single image will suffice...

All for now, best wishes to all who may pass this way to remain well, safe & healthy amid the ongoing pandemic challenges we are facing.

[Richard Smith]

The assassination occurs at 12:30.  Oswald is seen in the lunch room on the second floor a couple minutes later.  So let's say around 12:33 or so.  He is seen at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff before 1PM.  So that's about a 20 minute window.

You need a better clock...

In that window Oswald manages to walk down the street to a bus, get on, go nowhere, get off, walk to a cab, get a cab ride to his boardinghouse.

Did he?

In order to do all this in the known timeframe he has to be out of the TSBD right after his encounter with Baker.

Really?

The precise minute isn't know but he is certainly out of the building within minutes of the assassination. 

Within minutes is not the same as "immediately"

Even if he had hung around for a few more minutes his actions are still singular from any other TSBD employee that day.  Trying to make some type of false comparison with other employees is simply absurd and the height of the dishonest contrarian approach to this case.

The only one making that false comparison is you.

A contrarian classic post. 

[Alan Ford]

Mr. Smith, as promised earlier within this thread, had an opportunity to secure my research notes, thus earlier response before next week.

Following Deputy-Sheriff John Wiseman's discovery that access to the roof was locked from the inside, he was wise (pun intended) enough to comprehend that as long as access to the roof was locked he had no other alternative but to retrace his steps

There seems to be some confusion here. Officer Wiseman said "the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch". This does NOT mean he----or anyone else----could not open the door if they wished to. Rather he concluded that no one could have gone up to the roof and locked the door behind them------as it was closed on the inside. Hence his decision to make his way back downstairs.

The question is: WHEN did Officer Wiseman see the locked door? It cannot have been while Mr Truly and Officer Baker were on the roof (unless some third party had locked them up there from the inside).

and work his way back downward on the backstairs, stopping here and there to do what any what any dutiful man of the law would do, stopping long enough along each floor to examine any evidence of unusual movement, etc.

Now, following the wisdom of Deputy-Sheriff Wiseman, some 23-25 minutes later a Dallas Fire Department truck was summoned to the corner of 501 Elm & Houston. A request had been put in for a ladder, flashlights, etc. Once there, two firemen--Leslie Warnock, Jr. & Harry Coombs--went up the stairs to assist with whatever five agents awaiting them up there needed for them to do to make access to that otherwise locked roof possible.

No (see above!)

According to Mr. Warnock's version of the events what happened next was after they reached the area upstairs, the agents--upon hearing a noise atop the area where the roof was locked (turns out another agent travelling ahead of them had found a ladder laying nearby and had climbed up to get a much closer look at that roof door latch locked from the inside). According to Mr. Warnock, once the other agents--thinking they had an assassin corned--ready their sub-machine guns & pointed the flashlights into the opening to head upwards to pursue him--he and Mr. Coombs did the sensible thing, they immediately ran away and took cover.

Turns out--good thing--the agent hearing his fellow agents readying their submachine guns yelled out to them as they closed in, quote, "DON'T SHOOT!, DON'T SHOOT", unquote, my apologies for big caps but wanted to capture the essence of how emphatic the agent shared his experience.

Brb...to be continued...

Continuing onward now, Whew! what a close call. The foregoing was to set the stage for the most important elements about that otherwise locked roof from the inside that the lying rooftop tandem said they magically overcame...

(1) The agent--his words, his experience--not mine said he encountered dirty grime & dust so much to the point he inhaled so much of it it rendered him to offset choking by repeatedly coughing to clear his throat/airway (we have to ask ourselves, given this agent's experience--Why didn't the lying rooftop tandem need flashlights and/or further assistance from the local Fire Department IF they had indeed actually made an attempt to go atop the roof?)...

(2) Now, here comes the most revealing info: that same agent--his words/his experience--not mine encountered the following ---->

On the following link scan down to the entry "Notify 9" that we have information...

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11126#relPageId=109&search=search_ladder%20and%20roof

(3) Now ask yourself--be honest--How did the lying rooftop tandem manage to crawl through sheet metal in that small concealed space?

The linked document doesn't suggest that such would have been necessary. There was some sheet metal, under which someone could have been concealing themselves.

In the image on the right we see the man looking into the opening---------

Again, as I asked earlier, The question here now becomes Why?
did the lying rooftop tandem lie about exploits atop an otherwise locked roof from the inside...

Again, the question IMO is one of timing not physical logistics

 

[John Iacoletti]

A witness confirmed Oswald was on the bus only a short time after the Baker encounter.

Nobody "confirmed" Oswald was on a bus.  A landlady who could not prove she ever rented to Oswald or that she was even on a bus at that time claimed she saw Oswald on a bus.

[John Iacoletti]

So, why are these witnesses wrong and are those blindly accepted in the official narrative correct?

Because that's how "Richard" rolls.

[John Iacoletti]

Frazier was probably having his lunch in the basement at this time. He was not outside seeing Oswald 15 minutes after the assassination.

Why "probably"?  How long does it take to eat a sandwich?

[Dan O'meara]

Why "probably"?  How long does it take to eat a sandwich?

How long does it take you to eat a sandwich?