Et tu, Bonnie?

[Alan Ford]

Or the mention of the 5th floor was simply an error in the confusion.

Well, it was an error that started with the witnesses-------and then IMO spread to officers inside the building

I don’t recall a focus on the fifth floor. Sawyer and a few others went to the 4th via the passenger elevator and came back down. Others mentioned a floor by floor search. Have you anything that states "we went immediately to the fifth floor".

If this rather large and rather embarrassing initial error was indeed made by officers searching the building, then it would have been hushed up afterwards. The accounts given by Inspector Sawyer et al are after the event and not to be trusted. That they were all well capable of sticking rigidly to an agreed script was certainly the belief of Mr Alyea

Can you identify who you think told Williams? Why not just get Givens to say they were his....a far more pliable witness.

It was established that Mr Givens did not stay in the building for the motorcade. Mr Williams did----much better to put the chicken in his hands

How many people do you believe were involved in the consiracy?

No idea

[Alan Ford]

The transcript of the Dallas police tapes reveals that within the first 10 minutes reports came in for a gunman on the 5th floor, the 2nd floor and the "upper right hand corner" (6th floor ?).
Even though it was generally believed the gunman was still in the building, Sawyer and others went up as far as the 4th floor after which it seems to have been decided to conduct a more systematic search. The floor to floor searches weren't looking for signs of a gunman (or gunmen), they were looking for the actual shooter(s).
It was during this more systematic phase that the SN was discovered (my reading of various testimonies places this around 1:00 PM)

There was no such 'discovery' to be made if the SN's location had already been established by witnesses immediately after the shooting. I believe the wrong southeast window (fifth floor) was checked out, and much, much sooner than 1:10pm. They then spent lots of time looking for a rifle on five.

And it wasn't just chicken bones that were discovered but a partially eaten piece of chicken on the bone (I don't think this piece of chicken was actually eaten. I think part of the chicken was stripped off to make a sandwich leaving the remaining chicken on the bone to be eaten afterwards)
If the lunch remains were taken up from the 5th and placed on the SN I don't see why it would be then tidied away before Studebaker took his photos.

It would be good to locate the early statement by Alyea about chicken remains on the 6th floor because he seems really emphatic this wasn't the case in later statements and, judging by how scathing he is of the investigation, I don't get the impression he would've gone along with some bogus story.

Agreed

[Alan Ford]

I am yet to see anything that would suggest Alyea arrived at the SN before Fritz.

Mr Alyea was in the building in time to film Mr Truly and Officer Baker and Mr Campbell and others near the rear of the first floor, ca. 10 mins post-shooting. He would have had plenty of time to see the chicken bones on the fifth floor and hence know subsequently that their 'finding' on the sixth was a crock. We have footage from him taken on the fifth floor

[Alan Ford]

There is footage of Messrs Williams, Arce and Shelley being put in a police car to be taken down to police headquarters. The time (at least this is my understanding) is approx. 1pm, perhaps a little earlier.

Mr Williams in the car looks very distressed. Has he heard the bewildering and terrifying information that police have identified the fifth floor southeast window as the source of the shots?

[Colin Crow]

Well, it was an error that started with the witnesses-------and then IMO spread to officers inside the building

If this rather large and rather embarrassing initial error was indeed made by officers searching the building, then it would have been hushed up afterwards. The accounts given by Inspector Sawyer et al are after the event and not to be trusted. That they were all well capable of sticking rigidly to an agreed script was certainly the belief of Mr Alyea

It was established that Mr Givens did not stay in the building for the motorcade. Mr Williams did----much better to put the chicken in his hands

No idea

I have no problem with the CYA approach after the event by many involved. That’s why I look for corroboration.

They already had Given's mentioned as the owner of the bones on the 6th floor by Shelley in his initial statement. The time the bones were placed there would not preclude him.

[Colin Crow]

Mr Alyea was in the building in time to film Mr Truly and Officer Baker and Mr Campbell and others near the rear of the first floor, ca. 10 mins post-shooting. He would have had plenty of time to see the chicken bones on the fifth floor and hence know subsequently that their 'finding' on the sixth was a crock. We have footage from him taken on the fifth floor

By the time Fritz got there they had been placed in the bag and moved.

[Colin Crow]

Mr Alyea was in the building in time to film Mr Truly and Officer Baker and Mr Campbell and others near the rear of the first floor, ca. 10 mins post-shooting. He would have had plenty of time to see the chicken bones on the fifth floor and hence know subsequently that their 'finding' on the sixth was a crock. We have footage from him taken on the fifth floor

I have no doubt he entered early. Can you provide anything to support he saw the SN before Fritz arrived in that location?