Et tu, Bonnie?

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #252 on: April 14, 2021, 03:48:56 PM »
Why didn't Frazier hear all the metal pieces jangling around in the bag?

How was the open end secured on the back seat? Just a 2” fold over securing the stock......really? Maybe it was closest to the door.

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« Reply #253 on: April 14, 2021, 03:52:49 PM »
Excellent analysis Colin.

When Truly and Baker reach the 5th, the west elevator is gone. The only real option is that Dougherty has taken it.
Either Dougherty was on the fifth when he took the west elevator down to the first floor before Truly and Baker arrived.
Dougherty called the west elevator to the 6th floor then took it down to the 1st floor before Truly and Baker arrived.
Dougherty called the west elevator to the 6th which is where it was when Truly and Baker arrived. After they reached the roof Dougherty took the west elevator down to the first floor.

My guess is the latter. He went up to the sixth to investigate. Then came down to the first.

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« Reply #254 on: April 14, 2021, 04:01:02 PM »
I’m sure you will find the answer in the WCR......it was an exhaustive investigation after all wasn’t it.

Yes, if they had only fixated more on chicken sandwiches and measuring Oswald's arm pits we would know the truth.  What does "disassembled" mean in this context?  It appears to relate only to the rifle's length to fit the bag.  Could that be done just by removing the barrel etc? 

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #255 on: April 14, 2021, 04:08:21 PM »
How was the open end secured on the back seat? Just a 2” fold over securing the stock......really? Maybe it was closest to the door.

From the analysis of the bag's construction it seems clear that the open end was secured by folding the bag over at the strong fold nearest the open end and tucking this flap under the package as it lay on the seat. Otherwise it would be carried in such a fashion that the flap is secured by the carrying hand.

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« Reply #256 on: April 14, 2021, 04:57:09 PM »
My guess is the latter. He went up to the sixth to investigate. Then came down to the first.

My personal view is that Dougherty was not on the 5th floor just before the shooting.
Norman and Jarman walk from the north-west corner of the 5th to the south-east corner and do not see Dougherty.
Wiliams walks from the north-west corner to the south-east corner and does not see Dougherty.
All three men run from the east side of the building to the west and do not see Dougherty.
Dougherty must be on the 6th before Norman and Jarman arrive.
Dougherty must be on the 6th while Williams is still up there.
For me, Dougherty is the number one candidate for Rowalnd's man with a rifle on the 6th floor around 12:15

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #257 on: April 14, 2021, 04:58:32 PM »
Yes, if they had only fixated more on chicken sandwiches and measuring Oswald's arm pits we would know the truth.  What does "disassembled" mean in this context?  It appears to relate only to the rifle's length to fit the bag.  Could that be done just by removing the barrel etc?

Why disassemble the rifle?

Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #258 on: April 14, 2021, 05:27:38 PM »
My personal view is that Dougherty was not on the 5th floor just before the shooting.
Norman and Jarman walk from the north-west corner of the 5th to the south-east corner and do not see Dougherty.
Wiliams walks from the north-west corner to the south-east corner and does not see Dougherty.
All three men run from the east side of the building to the west and do not see Dougherty.
Dougherty must be on the 6th before Norman and Jarman arrive.
Dougherty must be on the 6th while Williams is still up there.
For me, Dougherty is the number one candidate for Rowalnd's man with a rifle on the 6th floor around 12:15

Dougherty takes the west elevator to the sixth after Jarman and Norman take it to the fifth. They closed the gates allowing it to be called by Dougherty. He did not close the gates as he presumably was collecting books on the sixth then the fifth. Truly was unable to call the west elevator because Dougherty left the gates open.