Oswald's shot-1 ricochet was at Z113 or Z105.

[Andrew Mason]

I see. So the bullet did not go through the lung. Kinda confusing when people say Connolly's lung collapsed and this is why h1e puffs his cheeks trying to get air. I guess he could be puffing his cheeks from the pain.

Connally's lung likely did not collapse until he got out of the car at Parkland. He said he felt no pain until then. The only missile that penetrated the pleura and lung was rib bone shards driven down into the lower lobe of the right lung. Connally kept his right wrist pressed against his chest and Dr. Shaw said that this likely allowed him to breathe en route to Parkland.

There is good evidence that JBC is saying "Oh, no, no" when he puffs out his cheeks from z242-250. . Lip readers have agreed that he is saying that there. Also Jackie turns to look at him at that point. She said that this is what drew her attention.  There is no other place where this occurs. Nellie said that JBC uttered this before the second shot. JBC was not sure.

[Andrew Mason]

Of course you can make it seem that Connally "is not fully turned" if you manipulate the pictures.

I am talking about JBC's chest.  In case you have not noticed this about the human torso, it twists so that the shoulders turn farther than the upper chest, which turns farther than the abdomen which turns farther than the hips, which are likely facing forward and have not moved. 

You have no understanding of parallax and perspective.

Ok.  Then explain to me how you determine that JFK is NOT left of JBC here:

I don't think so. I think Kennedy and Connally's heads are in a line, and that both are inboard relative to Kellerman. By Z272, Connally's head was a little more inboard than Kennedy's.

Oh, right, just like this photo taken about 30 seconds before the first shot shows that they are not in a line with Kellerman:

For adult males, about eight inches from the sternal notch to the nipple. This is within 1/2" of the measurement on my model.

I just measured the vertical distance from the top of my tie knot to just below my right nipple:  7.25 inches.   Keep in mind that the garments move relative to the body. Even the skin and subcutaneous tissue can move relative to the ribs.  You can see this happening when the torso twists.  The turn with his right arm jammed between the chest and the seat-back could easily have caused shifts of the clothing.  It would indeed be remarkable that the two wounds - the chest exit and the wrist entrance - are virtually touching at z271 if the injuries took place when they were 12 inches apart (let alone not aligned with the SN or the thigh wound).

[Mark Tyler]

Hickey was looking forward for the last two shots and definitely recalled the last shot striking JFK in the head.  He said that the second shot did not appear to hit JFK.  It appeared to miss.  All he saw was the hair on the right of JFK's head fly up at the time the second shot sounded.  Guess where that occurs?

Brehm does not necessarily describe the headshot as the second shot.  He said that JFK's hair flew up on the second shot.  That is what Hickey saw as well on the second shot. Brehm was never questioned by the WC. It is difficult to determine what he saw.  Hudson gave two statements shortly after the events (November 22 and 25, 1963) and gave a very different statement in his testimony in July 1964.  If you go by his first two statements as being the more accurate, he says that JFK slumped on the first shot and the last two shots were in rapid succession.  He does not say which of the shots hit the President in the head. He does not even mention a shot hitting the President in the head.
It was not a matter of not hearing a shot after the head shot.  It is a matter of hearing and/or seeing the head shot as the third of the three shots.  The Connallys, Greer, Hickey, Powers, Bennett, and McIntyre all recalled the head shot as the third shot.  Hill recalled it as the last of two shots that he recalled but believes, based on what other agents said, that there was a second shot while he was running beside the left front of the QM.

The statement I use for Brehm was given on 24th November, which I read as meaning the second shot was the head shot with short gaps between the shots of a few seconds or more:

When the President's automobile was very close to him and he could see the President's face very well, the President was seated, but was leaning forward when he stiffened perceptibly at the same instant what appeared to be a rifle shot sounded. According to BREHM, the President seemed do to stiffen and come to a pause when another shot sounded and the President appeared to be badly hit in the head. BREHM said when the President was hit by the second shot, he could notice the President's hair fly up, and then roll over to his side, as Mrs. KENNEDY was apparently pulling him in that direction.

BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together. BREHM stated that he was in military service and he has had experience with bolt-action rifles, and he expressed the opinion that the three shots were fired just about as quickly as an individual can maneuver a bolt-action rifle, take aim, and fire three shots.

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https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0434a.htm

He explained this shot sequence very clearly in 1986 with the aid of a map:

As for Emmett Hudson, his early statements are lacking in detail, but by explaining more in 1964 I would say that we can use that as his clearest view of the events.  I don't think anything he said later contradicts the early statements, he merely gives more information.

Yes I agree with you, several witnesses do regard the head shot as the third, which contrasts with the others who said the head shot was the second shot.  Although superficially the Dealey Plaza witnesses seem to contradict each other on this point, I think it is possible to make sense of their testimony in terms of each of them only hearing a part of the gunshot sequence.  Some witnesses missed the first shot, some missed the last, and others heard double bangs instead of a single shot (especially near the head shot).  Overall they cluster around three clear bursts of gunfire relative to the Zapruder film:

• Z190-Z230
• Z313
• Z360-Z400

This pattern also matches those who reported three separate shots, and also those who said the last two shots were closer than the first two.  It seems to be a rather neat way to explain the otherwise incongruous witness statements.  The only remaining issue to untangle is whether a single shot was fired in each burst, or whether a pair of shots was ever fired (i.e. two gunmen versus echoes from a single shot).

[Andrew Mason]

Also note that in z271 - 275, when the bullet is supposedly exiting JBC's chest and smashing his wrist apart, that his hand doesn't appear to move a fraction of an inch.

Irrefutable video evidence that the bullet does not exit JBC's chest at this moment.

Can't believe this nonsense is still being peddled.

I am not sure you are right about that.  There is a noticeable change in appearance of the wrist because the hat moves significantly there.  Here is the difference between two fairly clear frames z268 and z274. 

By z274 JFK's body has changed posture and he moves toward the front before falling back onto his wife.


Besides, his right arm appears to be pinned against the chest, probably because he is pressing his arm into the seatback.  Also the bullet made a glancing strike to the back of the wrist.  It did not smash his wrist apart.  Where do you ever see the wrist smashed apart?

But all of this just helps to pinpoint the frames.  It is the 1.....2...3 shot pattern with the head shot being the last shot that tells us there was a  shot there. Gerald Blaine in his book The Kennedy Detail maintains that there was a shot as Clint Hill jumped off the QM and before the headshot.  Altgens  said his z256 shot was after the first and before any other shots.  Nellie said the second shot came after she last looked back at JFK.  She is looking at him until z269 or so.  Hickey said that the last two shots occurred as he was turned looking at the President.  He is facing rearward until after z256 (Altgens). 

So I would have to disagree that there is no evidence to support a shot after the midpoint between the first shot and the headshot.

[Andrew Mason]

Mason thinks nothing is going on here
with Connally, other than Connally
showing concern for Kennedy.

There is a lot going on here.  JFK has just been shot.  JBC has heard it and recognized it as a rifle shot and realizes an assassination is underway.  He immediately wants to see how the President is and turns around to his right.  As he does this turn, he yells "Oh, no, no" (which his wife said was before the second shot).  This draws Jackie's attention as we can see.  Nellie said he turned around to see JFK before the second shot.  There is nowhere else where he even tries to turn to see JFK. 

Mason thinks the strike to the wrist
occurred here because the hat moved.
(Clip starts with exact moment of
Mason's proposed strike to wrist)

To be fair, Jerry, I think the strike to the wrist occurred around z270 because:

1.  the vast majority of witnesses who commented on the shot spacing specifically recalled that the last two shots were closer together - in rapid succession.
2.  the Connally's insisted that JBC was not hit on the first or third shots.
3.  the head shot was the last of the shots
4.  there were exactly three shots.

I believe it likely occurred between z271 and z272 because:

1.  JBC begins moving forward at z272 and then starts falling back on his wife at about z278
2.  Greer said he turned around for the first of his two turns immediately upon (simultaneous with) the second shot.  His head is finishing the turn at z281-285.
3.  Hickey was looking forward for the last two shots.  He is still turned to the rear at z256.  He said the first of the last two did not appear to hit JFK as all he saw on the second shot was JFK's hair fly up on his right side.  His hair does exactly that from z273-277.
4.  There is a noticeable movement of the left sunvisor on between z271 and z272.
5.  There is a noticeable change in the appearance of the wrist between z271 and z272.

Now, I could be wrong within a frame or two of z271.  We cannot see JBC in z270 and only part of him in z269.

Actually the hat as it's held isn't
changing much; The change in
appearance is because areas are
moving out of shade from the roll-bar
because Connally is falling back
towards Nellie.

Right. As if we cannot see through the shadow cast by the roof bar.  There is no question that there is a change in the posture of JBC his wrist position relative to the hat:

[Dan O'meara]

There is a lot going on here.  JFK has just been shot.  JBC has heard it and recognized it as a rifle shot and realizes an assassination is underway.  He immediately wants to see how the President is and turns around to his right.  As he does this turn, he yells "Oh, no, no" (which his wife said was before the second shot).  This draws Jackie's attention as we can see.  Nellie said he turned around to see JFK before the second shot.  There is nowhere else where he even tries to turn to see JFK. 
To be fair, Jerry, I think the strike to the wrist occurred around z270 because:

1.  the vast majority of witnesses who commented on the shot spacing specifically recalled that the last two shots were closer together - in rapid succession.
2.  the Connally's insisted that JBC was not hit on the first or third shots.
3.  the head shot was the last of the shots
4.  there were exactly three shots.

I believe it likely occurred between z271 and z272 because:

1.  JBC begins moving forward at z272 and then starts falling back on his wife at about z278
2.  Greer said he turned around for the first of his two turns immediately upon (simultaneous with) the second shot.  His head is finishing the turn at z281-285.
3.  Hickey was looking forward for the last two shots.  He is still turned to the rear at z256.  He said the first of the last two did not appear to hit JFK as all he saw on the second shot was JFK's hair fly up on his right side.  His hair does exactly that from z273-277.
4.  There is a noticeable movement of the left sunvisor on between z271 and z272.
5.  There is a noticeable change in the appearance of the wrist between z271 and z272.

Now, I could be wrong within a frame or two of z271.  We cannot see JBC in z270 and only part of him in z269.
Right. As if we cannot see through the shadow cast by the roof bar.  There is no question that there is a change in the posture of JBC his wrist position relative to the hat:

Look at the position of the bullet hole in Connally's jacket, it is below where the lapel terminates and above the top button.


This is an approximation of the bullet hole on JBC's jacket on the day of the assassination:



Look at the position of his wrist at z272:



Does it really need explaining that his wrist, just below the knot in his tie, is way to high to be struck by a bullet exiting his chest at this point of the Zfilm?

[Andrew Mason]

Look at the position of the bullet hole in Connally's jacket, it is below where the lapel terminates and above the top button.


This is an approximation of the bullet hole on JBC's jacket on the day of the assassination:

Look at the position of his wrist at z272:

Does it really need explaining that his wrist, just below the knot in his tie, is way to high to be struck by a bullet exiting his chest at this point of the Zfilm?

I gather from your response that you are assuming that it is the holes in the clothing rather than in the body that determines where the bullet struck.  Why?  Or are you suggesting that the yellow dot matches the location of JBC's right nipple?:

I would also point out that the jacket cuff had bullet hole 1/2 inch wide and 3/8 inch from the end of the sleeve:


Since that sleeve end is not seen, we cannot be sure exactly where it was. 

It is interesting to note that the shirt cuff had two holes.  One hole went from 3/4 inch above the end of the shirt cuff (3.25 inches from the cuff fold edge) to the end of the cuff (2.5 inches from the cuff fold edge).


The other hole in the shirt sleeve was a very jagged horizontal hole whose edge was 1 inch from the end of the cuff fold and the other edge was 1 inch from the end of the french cuff (ie. about 1.5 inches from the cuff end):


So, if you go 3.25 inches from the end of the french cuff and on the side next to the chest, that appears to be where the bullet struck.  The bullet appears to have fragmented on striking the radius and the fragments deflecting off the back of the radius passed through the middle of the cuff causing a large irregular tear.