Oswald's shot-1 ricochet was at Z113 or Z105.

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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2021, 05:23:08 AM »
The pictures, for some reason beyond my comprehension, fail to show up. Can you post a photo of the hole in the limousine floor?
That pix of the hole in the floor is in about 3 threads here. I will fix them up right away. Praps i didnt make them public, in which case they would praps show for members like myself but not for non-members. I will fix. That pix of the hole aint in Robin Unger's gallery, but i know that he knows of the pix.

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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2021, 01:07:43 AM »
The pictures, for some reason beyond my comprehension, fail to show up. Can you post a photo of the hole in the limousine floor?
I just then included a photo of the hole in the floor using the photoimages hosting site, my first go at using their site, so there are now 3 identical photos in that posting using 3 different hosting sites (see reply #14 on previous page).  How many of them 3 kum up ok for u?

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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2021, 12:38:12 AM »
LARRY A. SNEED   A high school U.S. history teacher in Georgia for thirty-five years, Sneed became an assassination researcher in the early 1980s and recorded over sixty hours of interviews with eyewitnesses and law enforcement officials between 1987 and 1992.  He published first-person narratives of those oral histories in the book No More Silence(1998).  Recorded November 2, 2009.

T E Moore told Sneed that the first shot was when JFK was level with the highway marker, ie just past the signals.  This is i think the best witness evidence that we have re where Oswald's shot-1 happened. And it confirms that shot-1 was time-wise at Z113, & that JFK was from Oswald's view in line with the signal arm.  Here is the excerpt from Sneed's book.



Here we can see the highway marker, just past the signals.


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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2021, 01:12:27 AM »
Here is the highway marker in a printscreen from the 1963 Secret Service Reconstruction.

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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2021, 01:31:40 AM »
The highway marker signs as seen by Oswald from 6th floor.


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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2021, 01:49:09 AM »
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION  Date January 10, 1964
T.E. MOORE, Deputy District Court Clerk, Records Building, advised that on November 22, 1963, he took his lunch hour to observe the Presidential Motorcade. He was standing at the southeast corner of Elm and Houston and observed the motorcade going by, turning west from Houston to Elm Street. By the time President KENNEDY had reached the Thornton Freeway sign, a shot was fired and Mr. MOORE observed the President slumping forward in the Presidential car. Mr. MOORE heard two more shots fired, however, the President was out of Mr. MOORE's sight at the time the last two were fired. Mr. MOORE noticed some of the bystanders on the north side of Elm Street below the concrete pavillion, rushing away from the street across the grass toward the concrete pavilion. Mr. MOORE stated that at the sound of the first shot, he looked up toward the Texas School Book Depository because the shot sounded like it had come from a high area, however, he did not observe anything noteworthy at the Texas School Book Depository.
He stated that approximately ten minutes later, the Texas School Book Depository was surrounded by police officers.
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on 1-8-64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461  By Special Agent GEORGE T. BINNEY Date Dictated 1-9-64


This FBI report is rubbish. 
Moore was standing i think on the south east corner, not the south west.
Moore did not say that the first shot was when JFK was near the large Thornton Freeway sign (at Z200 approx)(shot-2 was at Z218), he would have said that it was when JFK was near the small highway marker signs just past the signals (at Z113).  Agent Binney made an honest mistake, or more likely it was dishonest, an early shot would magnify the perception that the Secret Service Agents responded much too slowly.
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Re: Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113.
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2021, 10:19:30 AM »
I found a new witness, HOWARD WHATLEY, who said that shot-1 came just as the limo got straight on Elm St, ie near the signals, ie near my Z113 (ie not at Z160 or Z180 or whatever). Howard posted the following wordage on another forum.

Howard Whatley  (3 years ago)(edited).
………………..I was there sir and heard 4 to 6 shots.  I was  about 25 ft. east of TSBD.  You could tell the difference, 1 shot was low kinda muffled, came just as the limo got straight on Elm,  i'm sure it missed.
………………. That's right, and the two were different sounds, the first of the two wasn't quite as loud the second, sounded lower in tone but louder.  Iv'e killed many deer and hogs, and the sound of a bullet hitting a skull or anything else does not make a sound similar to the actual discharge of a rifle.  Sometimes a popping sound is conman.
…………… Right, strictly by chance, i didn't even know he was coming until they told us at the courthouse.  Went there to get manage licence.  Never spoke much about it.  Went back to camp Pendleton Sunday, came back home in jan 1964.  My  wife and i made a vow not to tell anyone and i kept it until she passed away in 2005.   There's a couple things i never heard anyone mention, what i saw and heard some of the witness' have said and some the complete opposite.   Will say without any doubt there were more than three shots, and the last came so close together no way did they come from a bolt action rifle.

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