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Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2023, 01:17:46 AM »
I made a closeup gif of Hickey, as can be seen he is holding the AR15 through the whole giff.


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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2023, 02:15:31 AM »
Hickey fired 4 or 5 or 6 shots. JFK's head did not lie. The cracked windshield did not lie. The dented chrome strip did not lie. Tague's bloody left cheek did not lie.
I am surprized that no-one has replicated the dent in the chrome trim -- a hollow point would do the trick -- a sharp hard nosed slug would probly make a hole -- even Oswald's carcano would have made a hole i think (i mean if fired from close range square-on)(not from the TSBD).
And of course fragments of a carcano slug would never make that dent in a million years.


Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2023, 02:34:44 AM »
Bell actually made a failed sequence of only 5 Bell frames starting at about Z375, ie 62 Z frames after the headshot at Z313, ie 3.4 seconds.
Only one frame (Frame-4) of Bell's failed sequence was at all legible, it was very blurry.
The 5 Bell frames were equivalent to about 8 Zapruder frames (if Bell's camera worked at 10.1 fps)(about 0.5 seconds)
Bell's later sequence started at Z422, ie 109 Z frames after Z313, ie 6.0 seconds.
Its a pity that Bell's good sequence didnt start at the start of the  failed sequence -- however he was aimed at the JFKlimo -- hence Queen Mary & Hickey & Co would have been a long way out of frame anyhow.
The only reason that Bronson managed to get Queen Mary in Bronson's sequence is that Bronson accidentally used his wide angle lens.
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Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2023, 09:09:24 PM »
The Hickey shot is a myth. All Secret Service ammo was accounted for after the assassination. Nobody in Hickey's car heard him fire a shot. Two of the people in the car with Hickey were close Kennedy aides and friends Powers and O'Donnell. We now know that Powers and O'Donnell told federal agents that shots came from the grassy knoll but that the agents pressured them into changing their stories. Yes, a number of people in Dealey Plaza smelled the scent of gun powder, but that smell was from the grassy knoll shots. One shot from an AR-15 rifle would not have produced a strong, lingering smell of gun powder that could be smelled from several spots near Elm Street--that just would not happen from a single shot from an AR-15. The cowlick entry site has been debunked, and the trajectory from Hickey's rifle to the EOP entry site does not work.
1. It was not a shot – it was an auto burst of at least 4 shots.
2. I haven’t seen any reference that said ammo was accounted for (ie & none missing) – certainly not signed or sworn or under oath?
3. Not hearing the Hickey shots & claiming to have not heard the Hickey shots are not the same thing. U have been wrong in every comment u have ever made about Hickey. For example u love saying that Powers denied hearing Hickey's shot(s) – yet Powers is the only passenger in Queen Mary that did not deny hearing Hickey's shot(s).
4. U keep mentioning one shot – but i said that Hickey fired at least 4 shots. Hence we have a strong smell of gunpowder in Dealey Plaza.
5. How would shots from the picket fence result in the smell of gunpowder at various points on the way to the hospital, & a strong smell at the hospital?
6. The trajectory from Hickey's AR15 works ok. And, your EOP entry site for the inshoot is BS. The AR15 had to be an inch or two above the windshield of Queen Mary, as per my drawings. Hickey,  already half sitting half standing on 2 leather cases, had merely to rise up a say half head & have the AR15 at chest height -- & i have shown that the Bronson footage does indeed show Hickey rising a half head at what i call Bronson frame 07 (see blue oval head in drawing-2 below), which i have shown to be at Z312 (the time of the headshot). If u look at my drawings, if the muzzle of the AR15 was 28" from the windshield, & if JFK was 211" from the  windshield, then that ratio is 1 in 7.5, hence the muzzle of the AR15 had to be 1" above the windshield for every 7.5" that the inshoot in JFK's head was below the windshield, & i reckon that the inshoot might have been only 6" below. And, if Queen Mary braked at Z312 (the time of the headshot) then the windshield would have dropped a little, & Hickey would have lifted a little, hence the AR15 would not have to be even 1" above.
Hickey did the dirty deed – hence the facts & measurements (properly done) can only confirm that.
Look, one strike & my theory is out, so, ask one question re my theory that i can't answer, ie that makes the Hickey theory impossible (or even improbable). Waiting.


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Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2023, 08:44:33 PM »
The Hickey shot is a myth. All Secret Service ammo was accounted for after the assassination. Nobody in Hickey's car heard him fire a shot. Two of the people in the car with Hickey were close Kennedy aides and friends Powers and O'Donnell. We now know that Powers and O'Donnell told federal agents that shots came from the grassy knoll but that the agents pressured them into changing their stories. Yes, a number of people in Dealey Plaza smelled the scent of gun powder, but that smell was from the grassy knoll shots. One shot from an AR-15 rifle would not have produced a strong, lingering smell of gun powder that could be smelled from several spots near Elm Street--that just would not happen from a single shot from an AR-15. The cowlick entry site has been debunked, and the trajectory from Hickey's rifle to the EOP entry site does not work.
I said that…………. 2. I haven’t seen any reference that said ammo was accounted for (ie & none missing) – certainly not signed or sworn or under oath?
Ok, lets have a closer look. Here is a bit of Floyd Boring's interview/testimony in 1996 ………..

MEETING REPORT Document’s Author: Douglas Home/ARRB Date Created: 09/l 9/96 Meeting Logistics Date: 09/l 8196 Agency Name: Witnesses/Consultants Attendees: Dr. Joan Zimmerman, Doug Home, and Floyd Boring Topic: interview of Floyd Boring. Summary of the Meeting.  Joan Zimmerman and I interviewed………….

…………………. Floyd Boring, after consenting to being taped, verified that he had never been interviewed by the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, or any other government body in connection with the Kennedy assassination. In response to our question, he stated that he was perfectly free to talk about the assassination, and was not under any oral or written prohibition which would prevent him from speaking freely about the events of November, 1963……………

……………..Mr. Boring on his own initiative brought up the subject of SA Hickey being accused by a conspiracy theorist of accidentally shooting the President with the AR-15 rifle from the follow-up car. He firmly stated his opinion that this theory was ridiculous and incorrect. He said he knows it was incorrect because he personally inspected “the weapons” (plural) during the automobile inspection to see whether they had been fired--by the weapons, he explained he meant both a shotgun, and the AR-15 in the Queen Mary. He said the inspection consisted of both opening each weapon and inspecting its barrel (for powder debris), as well as checking the shells in the magazine to see whether any were missing. Based on his examination of the AR-15 rifle, he stated that he concluded that it was not fired that day, since its barrel was clean, and the clip was not missing any shells………………


Floyd of course lied re the AR15.
Re the shotgun – i am pretty sure that there was no shotgun in or near Queen Mary [edit 28feb2024][there was indeed a shotgun, in a compartment at floor level, in front of the i think left hand jumpseat]– hence we may be permitted to start thinking that rather than being a liar, Floyd Boring was clearly soft in the head.
Floyd Boring being soft in the head is pretty much confirmed later in that interview when he says that his SSA team found a large bit of JFK's skull in Queen Mary. Days after this interview Floyd Boring sheepishly admitted his error, & admitted that the bit of skull had in fact been found in the JFK limo, not Queen Mary. And Floyd Boring added that he had had a stroke, hence his memory was affected. But, he did not admit his error re the shotgun -- & no mention of his BS that he checked the AR15 & ammo for the AR15.  And this is the BS that Michael T Griffith pedals.

Actually, Floyd was at home on that day -- Floyd was not in Dallas -- so, how could he do a proper check of AR15 & ammo -- he couldnt -- mightbe he did do a check on another day in another part of theUSofA -- SHEESHHHHH.
And, i suspekt that the leather case (for the AR15) that Hickey was sitting on had a cleaning kit including rod & brushes & solvent & oil -- SHEEEESHHHH.

Like i said -- Michael & anyone else can ask any question re the Hickey saga -- & i will hit it out of the ballpark -- &, as i said, one strike & i am out (ie Hickey is out) -- but it wont happen, koz Hickey did the dirty deed -- &, more than that, it wont happen koz i know more about this than everyone else here put together -- SHEEEEESHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2023, 04:53:05 PM »
Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.

I downloaded the 15 frames of Bronson's footage from the link below.
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=15

I cropped & enlarged the frames to show just Queen Mary (with Hickey sitting-standing in the left rear seat).  I loaded the frames into their own folder in my computer, & i opened the pix using Microsoft Office.  Then when i pressed my left or right arrow button the 15 frames would cycle as if they were a film, backwards or forwards, albeit much faster than the original speed (how can i slow it down?). [Ok i slowed my key settings & now the "footage" runs at a perfect slowish fps, nothing can stop me now].

The frames are named  4 to 18 (does the Bronson footage have an official numbering?).  But to get them to play in proper sequence in Microsoft Office i found that i had to name them starting with  18-12 & ending with  4-13, where the leading number say 18 is artificial & the second number say 12 is the true number of the frame.  Hence the name sequence started with 18-12 followed by 17-11 then 16-10 …….. then 10-4 then 9-18 …….  & finishing with  4-13.

U might not need that silly naming sequence if u open the pix in some other program, but then u might find that the frames cycle ok but they dont stop at 18, they just keep going & going, which aint good neither.

So what i had was a close-up pseudo-version of Bronson's footage, showing just Queen Mary.  This wasn’t very useful because it was so blurry etc.
 
So nextly i cropped the frames so that Queen Mary appeared perfectly stationary, & the spectators whizzed past.  This worked much better, now u could actually see something happening in an intelligible way. I said "perfectly stationary", but its rough, & i am too lazy to improve it (praps later).
 
When i say stationary, Queen Mary is stationary in the horizontal sense, but u will notice that Queen Mary sinks slowly in the vertical sense as it goes along, because Elm Street falls, or more correctly because Bronson didn’t pan proper.  I could have cropped to negate this gradual sinkage, but i didn’t, because i knew that later i would need to measure vertical elevations (are there any other kind?) off each frame, & the easiest way of doing that was to have a fixed vertical reference (more about that later).

So, this pseudo-film of Queen Mary was an interesting exercise, but up to now it hasn’t yielded any useful info, too blurry, Hickey hidden by spectators, etc. 

So, i had to examine & measure each frame individually to make any sense of it all, ie to see what Hickey did or didn’t do when JFK was shot at Z313.  And it worked.  More later.
It was just rotten luck, he was just doing his job.
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOjmTDfy0n8OAmLmcAl30M0BbQ-uGLMxMAowSmZ
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JCxBiTX8WyuG77wu9
https://sites.google.com/view/bronsonfilmframes/home

You know this is not true. You posted this same argument on the Education Forum's JFK Assassination Debate section, and several veteran researchers explained to you why this is not true. 

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2023, 07:20:09 PM »
Hickey the "Armpit Assassin" doesn't work.
Powers would, if he possessed a rifle instead of a camera.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/rifle-sling-positions-low-ready-retention-and-high-ready-dVDi0JIeutqXVf8J/