Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #308 on: March 22, 2021, 06:33:40 PM »
The Katzenbach letter and the Hoover memo pretty much start off the Warren Commission with a foregone conclusion. From there, there was absolutely no chance their report would have been conducted in an honest manner. Not all the WC members supported the "conclusions" it came up with. The investigation was rotten from the start. So to answer your question, it would have helped tremendously if the investigation had been started from the get-go in an honest and forthright manner.

The WC investigation against Oswald was only biased in the sense that all the evidence pointed toward his guilt.  Katzenbach may have felt that it was important that the public be convinced of Oswald's guilt not due to any frame up but because Oswald was guilty and there were risks that nutty CTers could convince the public that a foreign power was behind the assassination and start WWIII on a false premise. 

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #309 on: March 22, 2021, 07:28:32 PM »
Never said it was a court of law, Bill. You're venturing into hyperbole here. Lee never got his day in court.

'Lee' haha. The 'identifier': The not-so-secret (virtual) handshake. Y'know, the first-name-basis thing.

You've ventured into cult-think.
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #310 on: March 22, 2021, 07:47:26 PM »
The Katzenbach letter and the Hoover memo pretty much start off the Warren Commission with a foregone conclusion. From there, there was absolutely no chance their report would have been conducted in an honest manner. Not all the WC members supported the "conclusions" it came up with. The investigation was rotten from the start. So to answer your question, it would have helped tremendously if the investigation had been started from the get-go in an honest and forthright manner.

They figured they had Oswald dead-to-rights.
So they in fact were honest from the get-go.
They wanted to make sure there were no conspirators.
That's it.

But their messaging was badly written, at least in part.
Just bad enough to get the cultists all atwitter.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 08:09:21 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #311 on: March 22, 2021, 08:14:50 PM »
They figured they had Oswald dead-to-rights.
So they in fact were honest from the get-go.
They wanted to make sure there were no conspirators.
That's it.

But their messaging was badly written, at least in part.
Just bad enough to get the cultists all atwitter.

It was a very dishonest process. There were no dead-to-rights for Lee. J. Edgar Hoover said in a memo two days after John F. Kennedy's assassination that the public must be led to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. You don't lead someone to believe something until all of the evidence is compiled and this memo was released mere weeks after the murder. They hadn't even yet come up with an explanation for the shot sequence and timing.

Katzenbach's memo says that "...it is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way..." that he's the lone assassin. The "in a way" is another example of putting the cart before the horse.

There was no such thing as dead-to-rights. Oswald has absolutely no legal representation during the time he was in custody which is why he asked for representation at the press conference. It was his right to retain legal representation.

Some WC members did not agree fully with the WC's conclusions. It's a mess beyond all comprehension.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #312 on: March 22, 2021, 08:47:51 PM »
It was a very dishonest process. There were no dead-to-rights for Lee. J. Edgar Hoover said in a memo two days after John F. Kennedy's assassination that the public must be led to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. You don't lead someone to believe something until all of the evidence is compiled and this memo was released mere weeks after the murder. They hadn't even yet come up with an explanation for the shot sequence and timing.

Katzenbach's memo says that "...it is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way..." that he's the lone assassin. The "in a way" is another example of putting the cart before the horse.

There was no such thing as dead-to-rights. Oswald has absolutely no legal representation during the time he was in custody which is why he asked for representation at the press conference. It was his right to retain legal representation.

Some WC members did not agree fully with the WC's conclusions. It's a mess beyond all comprehension.

Your "in a way" also includes putting the findings of the investigation, including lack of conspirators, out to the public. That part is accounted for in the letter. You know, the part which you cultists clearly ignore or twist like a pretzel.

Oswald was offered legal representation but only wanted a particular lawyer (Abt) who was away and unavailable that weekend. Oswald was playing the fiddle real good in front of the press, wasn't he.
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #313 on: March 22, 2021, 10:09:34 PM »
No one saw John Wilkes Booth pull the trigger by the application of contrarian logic.  They just heard a "bang" and looked to see Booth holding a smoking pistol at the moment Lincoln was killed.  So there must be doubt via contrarian logic that he did it.

Is this supposed to "prove" that Oswald shot a rifle at JFK?

One trick pony...

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #314 on: March 22, 2021, 10:11:30 PM »
This case is a slam dunk.

So you claim after not having provided a single speck of evidence or basis for this assertion.  Ever.