Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?

[Martin Weidmann]

You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.  Attempting to draw some distinction about who found them is just rabbit hole nonsense.  There is no credible evidence that these fragments or the bullet found at Parkland (which also came from Oswald's rifle) was planted by anyone.  Here is the WC report 

WC:
After the Presidential car was returned to Washington on November 22, 1963, Secret Service agents found two bullet fragments in the front seat. One fragment, found on the seat beside the driver, weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment, found along the right side of the front seat, weighed 21.0 grains and consisted of the base portion of a bullet. During the course of an examination on November 23, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation found three small lead particles, weighing between seven-tenths and nine-tenths of a grain each, on the rug underneath the left jump seat which had been occupied by Mrs. Connally.

As described in the preceding section, five bullet fragments were found in the President's limousine. The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons.

You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.  Attempting to draw some distinction about who found them is just rabbit hole nonsense.

No, I don't already know that. What I do know is that Frazier and his team were confronted by a contaminated crime scene when they arrived at the Secret Service garage to examine the limo and I do know that Frazier was handed some bullet fragments which he was told came from the limo. In other words, a contaminated crime scene and no solid chain of custody!

Quoting the WC report as evidence (of what exactly?) is pathetic!

If a contaminated crime scene and no solid chain of custody isn't grounds for reasonable doubt then nothing is!

There is no credible evidence that these fragments or the bullet found at Parkland (which also came from Oswald's rifle) was planted by anyone. 

There doesn't have to be. What you need is credible and conclusive evidence that the fragments were indeed found in the limo and that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 is in fact the same one Tomlinson found at Parkland Hospital. Regarding the latter, O.V. Wright, in Six seconds in Dallas, denied it was.

The WC failed to provide such proof and simply ignored all the evidentiary problems with both the fragments and the Parkland bullet.

[John Iacoletti]

You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.

"Recovered from the limo".  LOL.

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

"Richard" stating assumptions as facts.  LOL.

WC:
After the Presidential car was returned to Washington on November 22, 1963, Secret Service agents found two bullet fragments in the front seat.

That's not even true.  One was supposedly found by a Navy corpsman.  Neither have any documented chain of custody whatsoever.

During the course of an examination on November 23, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation found three small lead particles, weighing between seven-tenths and nine-tenths of a grain each, on the rug underneath the left jump seat which had been occupied by Mrs. Connally.

That doesn't help determine what weapon was used.

As described in the preceding section, five bullet fragments were found in the President's limousine. The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts.

The "nearly whole bullet" was allegedly found on an unrelated stretcher at Parkland Hospital and also has no documented chain of custody.  No evidence exists whatsoever that the bullet in evidence was ever in Dealey Plaza (or ever at Parkland Hospital for that matter) or ever went through Kennedy or Connally.

[Richard Smith]

You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.  Attempting to draw some distinction about who found them is just rabbit hole nonsense.

No, I don't already know that. What I do know is that Frazier and his team were confronted by a contaminated crime scene when they arrived at the Secret Service garage to examine the limo and I do know that Frazier was handed some bullet fragments which he was told came from the limo. In other words, a contaminated crime scene and no solid chain of custody!

Quoting the WC report as evidence (of what exactly?) is pathetic!

If a contaminated crime scene and no solid chain of custody isn't grounds for reasonable doubt then nothing is!

There is no credible evidence that these fragments or the bullet found at Parkland (which also came from Oswald's rifle) was planted by anyone. 

There doesn't have to be. What you need is credible and conclusive evidence that the fragments were indeed found in the limo and that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 is in fact the same one Tomlinson found at Parkland Hospital. Regarding the latter, O.V. Wright, in Six seconds in Dallas, denied it was.

The WC failed to provide such proof and simply ignored all the evidentiary problems with both the fragments and the Parkland bullet.

Same old song and dance.  There is a mountain of evidence that links Oswald to the rifle and the rifle to the assassination.  Your rebuttal is that maybe the evidence was "planted" or "contaminated" (whatever that is supposed to mean).  Therefore nothing can ever proven because it is "possible" to dream up an explanation.  It's an impossible standard of proof argument since it is always "possible" that evidence could be planted in any crime if you are not required to offer any evidence of such fakery.  No fact in human history could ever be proven using this silly standard.  The facts are that Oswald's rifle was found at the crime scene.  Fired bullet casings from his rifle were found by the window from which witnesses confirm that they saw a rifle at the moment of the assassination.  Bullet fragments from that rifle were found in the car.  And a bullet from his rifle was found at hospital where his victims were taken.  There couldn't be any more evidence absent a time machine.

[Bill Chapman]

Iacoletti:
No evidence exists whatsoever that the bullet in evidence was ever in Dealey Plaza (or ever at Parkland Hospital for that matter) or ever went through Kennedy or Connally.

No evidence whatsoever exists that some other rifle was fired in Dealey Plaza that day. No evidence whatsoever exists that the bullets that struck the victims came from some other rifle. No evidence whatsoever exists that would point to a need for a frameup. No evidence whatsoever exists that would point to a need for a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. No evidence exists that anyone but the shooter knew that there was about to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

[Walt Cakebread]

Wow.  That is incredibly stupid even from you.  But let's use your idiotic analogy.  If your kid ate a jar of chocolate chip cookies would he leave a ginger bread cookie to frame his brother?  Of course not because it would not fulfill his purpose.  He would leave a chocolate chip cookie.   You are not following the obvious problem with leaving a rifle that was not involved in the crime to frame someone for that crime.

explain to me why your fantasy conspirators would leave a rifle that wasn't used in the crime to frame Oswald?

Duh.... The conspirators knew that they would need to plant a rifle like the one seen in Lee's hands in the BY photo.   And naturally the spent shells they had would need to be the type that fit the rifle.   It didn't make a damn bit of difference if the shells were freshly fired, or the rifle had been fired recently ....They were the conspirators and the investigators.   They could tell the trusting pissants anything and nobody would argue with them.   

The fact that you believe that the Carcano was the murder weapon in spite of the evidence that's been presented that indicates it could not have been the murder weapon is an excellent example of how simple, trusting and naive fools, can be tricked.

Now then try to use your little pea brain and explain how a rifle that allegedly had been fired just hours before it was examined and found to have rust and dirt in the barrel , could have that dirty and rusty bore?    Do you believe the tightly fitting, high velocity  bullets, wouldn't have scoured that bore.

And explain why not a single trained police officer detected any trace of he smell of burned gunpowder when the rifle was found?
If that rifle had been fired less than an hour earlier the smell of gunpowder down in that enclosure of boxes of books would have been very noticeable.

Please explain how a 5 ' 9", 135 pound, man could reach out and place the rifle at the bottom of a five foot deep well from five feet away.....??  And then stack a couple of boxes over the top of the "well" opening?

If you can answer the questions.... Then you MIGHT have a plausible case that the carcano was the murder weapon.   

 

[John Iacoletti]

Same old song and dance.  There is a mountain of evidence that links Oswald to the rifle and the rifle to the assassination.

Same old song and dance, indeed.  Your "mountain of evidence" is a mountain of conjecture, assumption, and false claims about the evidence.

[John Iacoletti]

No evidence whatsoever exists that some other rifle was fired in Dealey Plaza that day.

Or that rifle.

No evidence whatsoever exists that the bullets that struck the victims came from some other rifle.

Or that rifile.

No evidence whatsoever exists that would point to a need for a frameup.

You need evidence for a need?     You can either prove that Oswald did it or you cannot.  And you cannot.

No evidence whatsoever exists that would point to a need for a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. No evidence exists that anyone but the shooter knew that there was about to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

Completely irrelevant, like everything you try to regale us with.