Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?

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Offline Christer Jacobsson

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #196 on: March 01, 2021, 11:45:45 PM »

Researcher David Josephs explains and provides evidence how the DPD, Secret Service, and FBI dealt with the rifle evidence they gathered, as they gathered it, and how Hoover’s FBI, with the help of the US Postal Service, steered this evidence toward Oswald: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0CbHeZjHZ8&feature=youtu.be  Thumb1:

Additional information available here: https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #197 on: March 02, 2021, 12:26:07 AM »
The location of the rifle in no way precludes it from having been used to commit this crime.  Fired bullet casings from that rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired.  So there is no doubt that rifle was used.  Oswald likely had a hiding place selected for his rifle before he even arrived that morning.  The last thing he does before retrieving the rifle is to put down his clipboard which he is using to appear busy in case he is encountered lingering on the 6th floor before the assassination.  That was found in proximity to where his rifle is found.  So it is just a matter of seconds to put the rifle back there as he exits the floor.  It's likely the same spot where he hid it that morning.  I'm not sure why you believe it would have taken him more than 5 seconds to place the rifle there.

The location of the rifle in no way precludes it from having been used to commit this crime.

True, but there is no evidence that this particular rifle was fired at all on 11/22/63

Fired bullet casings from that rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired.  So there is no doubt that rifle was used.

True, but the problem is when it was used.

Oswald likely had a hiding place selected for his rifle before he even arrived that morning.

Likely? Speculating again?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #198 on: March 02, 2021, 01:15:32 AM »
True, but there is no evidence that this particular rifle was fired at all on 11/22/63
There is no evidence that some other rifle was fired in Dealey on 11/22/63
« Last Edit: March 02, 2021, 01:30:38 AM by Bill Chapman »

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #199 on: March 02, 2021, 01:40:59 AM »

True, but there is no evidence that this particular rifle was fired at all on 11/22/63
There is no evidence that some other rifle was fired in Dealey on 11/22/63


True. With no evidence what rifle was fired, are you just going to assume that it was the MC that was fired?

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #200 on: March 02, 2021, 01:48:35 AM »
The location of the rifle in no way precludes it from having been used to commit this crime.

True, but there is no evidence that this particular rifle was fired at all on 11/22/63

Fired bullet casings from that rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired.  So there is no doubt that rifle was used.

True, but the problem is when it was used.

Oswald likely had a hiding place selected for his rifle before he even arrived that morning.

Likely? Speculating again?

When it was "used"?  How about when it went bang, bang, bang and shot JFK? Good grief.  Witnesses saw a rifle in the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination.  A rifle is found on that floor with fired bullet casings from that rifle by the window and you are suggesting there is doubt about whether this rifle fired the shots.  Hilarious. 

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #201 on: March 02, 2021, 02:10:58 AM »
When it was "used"?  How about when it went bang, bang, bang and shot JFK? Good grief.  Witnesses saw a rifle in the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination.  A rifle is found on that floor with fired bullet casings from that rifle by the window and you are suggesting there is doubt about whether this rifle fired the shots.  Hilarious.

No, I am suggesting that you favor jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence.

When it was "used"?  How about when it went bang, bang, bang and shot JFK? Good grief. 

Really... You are certain that happened?

A rifle seen in the 6th floor window and a rifle found on the 6th floor....And superficial as you are, you think it's as easy as 1 + 1 = 2, right?

A rifle is found on that floor with fired bullet casings from that rifle by the window and you are suggesting there is doubt about whether this rifle fired the shots.

No, Sherlock, I am suggesting that if the rifle was planted the shells were likely also, don't ya think?

Which leaves us with two possibilities; (1) the MC rifle was used and the shells were fired on that day or (2) the rifle and the shells were planted on a staged crime scene.

Investigation is a process of elemination, which means that until you can eleminate the second option, you can't make any kind of claim about option 1.

So, what justifies the question? The rust in the barrel of the MC rifle, that would have been gone after the first shot, was still there. But I'm sure you can explain how this particular rifle was fired without the rust being removed, right?
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #202 on: March 02, 2021, 02:52:45 AM »
No, I am suggesting that you favor jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence.

When it was "used"?  How about when it went bang, bang, bang and shot JFK? Good grief. 

Really... You are certain that happened?

A rifle seen in the 6th floor window and a rifle found on the 6th floor....And superficial as you are, you think it's as easy as 1 + 1 = 2, right?

A rifle is found on that floor with fired bullet casings from that rifle by the window and you are suggesting there is doubt about whether this rifle fired the shots.

No, Sherlock, I am suggesting that if the rifle was planted the shells were likely also, don't ya think?

Which leaves us with two possibilities; (1) the MC rifle was used and the shells were fired on that day or (2) the rifle and the shells were planted on a staged crime scene.

Investigation is a process of elemination, which means that until you can eleminate the second option, you can't make any kind of claim about option 1.

So, what justifies the question? The rust in the barrel of the MC rifle, that would have been gone after the first shot, was still there. But I'm sure you can explain how this particular rifle was fired without the rust being removed, right?

Excellent Martin.....  I hope I can also add that the FBI reported that the bore of the TSBD carcano was dirty and corroded ( rusty) and the lands were worn.... IOW....The bore was in poor condition..... Which is odd...because CE399 ( the magic bullet) looks like it was fired through a rifle whose barrel was in good condition.....