How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2021, 02:37:04 AM »
It seems to me that if the CIA wanted to get rid of JFK, they would have just gone down this route. Film him in bed on one of his many escapades, and then release this footage to the press. This would have derailed his 1964 campaign .......
I don't think there is a good answer to that other than the CIA/military industrial complex had nothing to do with what happened in Dealey Plaza.
In his zeal to absolve the MIC, Mr Down underestimates the outrage that this underhanded ploy would have generated within the American perception. The media in general liked JFK....they would not have been party to it.
 
Bill Clintons affair cost Hillary the White House. 
No it didn't.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2021, 02:43:35 AM »
In the 1960's, the CIA were engaging in dirty tricks of setting up soviet officers with prostitutes, then filming them in bed, and then threatening to show the footage to their wives if they did not pass on secret information to them.

It seems to me that if the CIA wanted to get rid of JFK, they would have just gone down this route. Film him in bed on one of his many escapades, and then release this footage to the press. This would have derailed his 1964 campaign, making it more likely the pro-war Richard Nixon would have been made president, and in this way the CIA/military industrial complex would get to continue and ramp up the Vietnam war.

So why would the CIA/military industrial complex go to all the complex trouble of assassinating JFK and setting up a patsy (i.e Oswald) and altering this autopsy footage/x-rays rather than simply film JFK in bed with someone and then release that to the press?

I don't think there is a good answer to that other than the CIA/military industrial complex had nothing to do with what happened in Dealey Plaza.

The problem with your theory is the Press and other insiders knew of Kennedy’s (and lots of other politicians’) sexual escapades yet kept quiet about it.

Even though lots of politicians had affairs and other gossip worthy stuff in their personal lives, there were no big political sex scandals until the 1980s. It’s sort of a modern media thing.

So what makes you so sure that the Press in the 1960s would’ve reported on that stuff?

The CIA definitely used blackmail but most of the time it was the more embarrassing stuff. Like homosexuality or pedophilia. As we all know, it wasn’t socially acceptable to be Gay in the 1950s and 60s.
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2021, 02:51:08 AM »
So sad when you find it hard to believe your nation is above such skullduggery. I almost have some sympathy for you, because you've, no doubt, been brainwashed to believe you come from an 'exceptional' nation. A place where removing leaders is only for the third world & not on your doorstep.

Even though the CIA/Industrial complex forcefully removed/assassinated many leaders of sovereign nations that didn't suit their plans. You are unable to accept the sad reality that the chaos your nation has inflicted upon other nations for many years was brought home to roost. Just keep saying it never happened.

You’ve nailed it. A lot of Americans are just in denial about the dark side of our national security state.

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2021, 03:48:53 AM »
You’ve nailed it. A lot of Americans are just in denial about the dark side of our national security state.

You're so right, Mr Banks.....  And what's even more alarming is many American's are such suckers for the lying puppet masters who are pulling their strings.    I believe our nation is like the titanic....Many Americans think that we are perfect and unsinkable, But there's an iceberg looming ......

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2021, 06:16:48 PM »

So sad when you find it hard to believe your nation is above such skullduggery. I almost have some sympathy for you, because you've, no doubt, been brainwashed to believe you come from an 'exceptional' nation. A place where removing leaders is only for the third world & not on your doorstep.

Even though the CIA/Industrial complex forcefully removed/assassinated many leaders of sovereign nations that didn't suit their plans. You are unable to accept the sad reality that the chaos your nation has inflicted upon other nations for many years was brought home to roost. Just keep saying it never happened.

Other nations control the United States. Like, as when other nations got control of Dominion Systems to control the 2020 election, as Steve Galbraith alluded to?

True skeptics are always going to be skeptical of Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theories. Even when these theories are clothed in the argument that their claims are merely accepting the obvious truth. So, no I don’t accept that an outside power got control of the Secret Service, of the FBI, of the Dallas Police, and others, so that they can murder and get away with the murder of the President of the United States. So, they can force the Vietnam war to occur. And control the U. S. to this day. The same rational philosophy can steer one clear of such false beliefs, whether it is the government killing President Kennedy or the U. S. Election of 2020 being controlled by some sort of Deep State.

Gerry Down is correct. The claim that Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA is not only unbelievable on the surface. It would be strange that they would choose such a route when an obvious alternative is available. Destroy Kennedy’s political career by simply revealing the truth of his many affairs. They don’t even have to manufacture a fake case for these affairs.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2021, 06:31:29 PM »
Other nations control the United States. Like, as when other nations got control of Dominion Systems to control the 2020 election, as Steve Galbraith alluded to?

True skeptics are always going to be skeptical of Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theories. Even when these theories are clothed in the argument that their claims are merely accepting the obvious truth. So, no I don’t accept that an outside power got control of the Secret Service, of the FBI, of the Dallas Police, and others, so that they can murder and get away with the murder of the President of the United States. So, they can force the Vietnam war to occur. And control the U. S. to this day. The same rational philosophy can steer one clear of such false beliefs, whether it is the government killing President Kennedy or the U. S. Election of 2020 being controlled by some sort of Deep State.


"THE" CIA did not assassinate JFK....   But MEN who were affiliated with the CIA DID assassinate JFK.

Gerry Down is correct. The claim that Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA is not only unbelievable on the surface. It would be strange that they would choose such a route when an obvious alternative is available. Destroy Kennedy’s political career by simply revealing the truth of his many affairs. They don’t even have to manufacture a fake case for these affairs.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: How the CIA would have got rid of JFK (if they wanted to)
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2021, 07:48:37 PM »

Gerry Down is correct. The claim that Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA is not only unbelievable on the surface. It would be strange that they would choose such a route when an obvious alternative is available. Destroy Kennedy’s political career by simply revealing the truth of his many affairs. They don’t even have to manufacture a fake case for these affairs.

How common were political sex scandals in the early 1960s? It's well known that several US Presidents cheated on their spouses while in office. Lots of people knew but the Press rarely made a big deal about digging into the personal lives of politicians until the 1980s. The Gary Hart thing in the 1980s was arguably the first major political sex scandal. 

Given how differently the Press behaved in the 1960s, why is it assumed that the Press would've played along with the CIA's attempts to politically assassinate Kennedy by using his infidelity against him?

Plausible Deniability is a key part of Covert Ops. No Intelligence conspiracy would do something targeting a Head of State that could easily be traced back to them.
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