Then went inside with the curtain rods

[Dan O'meara]

That one threw me too

Wow,
You knew about the transcript of Frazier's polygraph as well Jerry.
I feel so stupid.
I must take more care in future.

[Martin Weidmann]

You must excuse me John.
I didn't realise the questions Frazier was asked during his polygraph were public knowledge.
I'm sure I read somewhere that they weren't available but they must be because you are such a stickler for having your details right and you know so much about the case.
Please direct me to the transcript of Frazier's polygraph and I'll most certainly retract that point.

We don't need to know the questions Frazier was asked during his polygraph to know what he told them. His affidavit, his testimony, his statements to investigators are all on record and he tells them the same things over and over again. If he had told them something different during his polygraph we would have known it.

But, although there is no transcript (and you know it!), there is an FB 302 report by FBI Vincent Drain, dated 1 December 1963 that details what Oswald told Detectives Lewis and Day about the bag during the polygraph.

And btw, when you ask for a transcript and pretend not to know what Frazier said during the polygraph, how have you been able to determine that he told the truth?

[Colin Crow]

There is no reason I can see for Oswald to take curtain rods with him that day. I can't make any kind of reasonable case to support the assumption he takes them.
He doesn't need them.
He never mentions them to Roberts.
He never mentions them to Paine.
But he does to Frazier.

According to Frazier. Not fact. Linnie May mentioned nothing about them to Adamcik. Adamcik doesn’t even mention their discussion in his report of events that afternoon. Yet the Thursday visit by Oswald to Irving was a hot topic of discussion between brother and sister that afternoon. By Friday morning short term memory loss hits both.

[Dan O'meara]

We don't need to know the questions Frazier was asked during his polygraph to know what he told them. His affidavit, his testimony, his statements to investigators are all on record and he tells them the same things over and over again. If he had told them something different during his polygraph we would have known it.

But, although there is no transcript (and you know it!), there is an FB 302 report by FBI Vincent Drain, dated 1 December 1963 that details what Oswald told Detectives Lewis and Day about the bag during the polygraph.

The only thing Drain's report reveals is that it wasn't a real polygraph test.
Frazier isn't being asked specific questions that he answers 'yes' or 'no' to. He's having a conversation - "it's possible it was this, but it could have been that" type of thing.
A good reason to suppose that there will never be a record found of the polygraph test is because it wasn't real.
I don't know a lot about polygraphs but I'm assuming they don't work by having the person being tested just chat away.
The bottom line is, in the scenario I'm proposing Frazier changes one small detail at the beginning  - the length of the bag.
Everything else he can be completely honest about because he is innocent. He's done nothing wrong.
It's not unimaginable to assume the authorities already think they know what was in the bag. They are 100% certain what was in the bag Oswald brought to work that day.
There only real concern would probably be whether Frazier was involved in some way.
He wasn't.
He really did believe there were curtain rods in the bag. That's the truth.
He really wasn't involved in any way. That's the truth.

And to get back to a point John made earlier.
Imagine Frazier hooked up to a polygraph that he thought was real and thinking he could get away with "There was no long package".

If the authorities think he's mistaken over one detail that's not a crime.
If they think he's lying to them, that's a different ball game.
They obviously believe he is being truthful.

And btw, when you ask for a transcript and pretend not to know what Frazier said during the polygraph, how have you been able to determine that he told the truth?

Because the authorities obviously believed he was being truthful.
And I imagine that belief didn't come easy.
I imagine Frazier was put through the wringer before they were satisfied.
History tells us they were satisfied and did believe he was being truthful.
I imagine if there was the slightest doubt the police would've been all over him because these are men whose specialist subject is whether they are being told the truth or not.
They believed he thought it was curtain rods in the bag.
They believed he had nothing whatsoever to do with the assassination.

[Walt Cakebread]

Because he told the truth. Because he did nothing wrong.


How does deliberately undersizing the bag that he saw, inventing a story about how the package was carried. and falsely calling the paper flimsier than the paper in CE 142 (in your proposed scenario) constitute telling the truth?

The Lie detector test that they gave Frazier was a sham.    A lie detector test under the conditions that they administered the test would have proved nothing.   Frazier was way to nervous and upset....... 

[Richard Smith]

That one threw me too

That doesn't surprise me.  This is simple.  Frazier is facing both potential legal and much more likely public judgment of his conduct.  He does not want to be forever known as the guy who should have been suspicious of the guy who assassinated the president and did nothing about it.  An obvious point unless you believe that he did want to be blamed by the public for being a clueless numbskull.

[Dan O'meara]

According to Frazier. Not fact. Linnie May mentioned nothing about them to Adamcik. Adamcik doesn’t even mention their discussion in his report of events that afternoon. Yet the Thursday visit by Oswald to Irving was a hot topic of discussion between brother and sister that afternoon. By Friday morning short term memory loss hits both.

A lot of things are like that Colin.
Marina says she sees a rifle in the blanket. It's not a fact she did, it's just "according to Marina".
Ruth Paine is adamant there was just two curtain rods. It's not a fact there were, it's just "according to Ruth Paine".

I'm just proposing a scenario that tries to cover as many of these "according to" statements as possible.
It's speculation and assumption.
I'm assuming Marina did see a rifle. I'm assuming there were only two curtain rods etc. based on various testimonies.

In Frazier's first statement he mentions that Oswald told him about the curtain rods.
How did Frazier know there were curtain rods available in the Paine household?
I have to assume it's because Oswald told him about them. Otherwise it's a wildly lucky guess.