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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #735 on: March 13, 2021, 11:38:06 PM »
You've missed the point Martin.
I was putting forward a made-up scenario to try to account for various aspects of the curtain rods.
In the scenario WBF and LMR concoct the story about the curtain rods to conceal that Oswald carried a rifle to work that day and Frazier would've been up s"^t creek for bringing the assassin of JFK and his rifle to work that morning.
One of the aspects this scenario covers is that Ruth Paine testified there was just 2 curtain rods in her garage which she had wrapped herself and that the curtain rods were still in the garage after the assassination. This means Oswald never took the curtain rods to work that morning.

Mr. JENNER - Now, that morning--if I may, Mr. Chairman, because of the entry of the police, that is a good cutoff point, I would like to go back to the morning for the moment, or the evening before. Mrs. Paine, did you then have what might be called some curtain rods in your garage?
Mrs. PAINE - I believe there were.
Mr. JENNER - Do you have a recollection?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; they were stored in the garage, wrapped in loose brown paper.
Mr. JENNER - Is it the brown paper of the nature and character you described yesterday that you get at the market and have in a roll?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - Had you wrapped that package yourself?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.


Mr. JENNER - Now, how many of them were there?
Mrs. PAINE - Two.

Mr. JENNER - Let us return to the curtain rods first. Do you still have those curtain rods?
Mrs. PAINE - I believe so.

The curtain rods were collected from the Paine's garage, there was only two of them and both were there.

The curtain rods were collected from the Paine's garage, there was only two of them and both were there.

Which suggests that there must have been a third set, which was presented to the identification bureau of the DPD by Secret Service Agent Howlett on 5/15/64 and not collected from there until the day after Ruth Paine's testimony at her home, which was when the two sets of curtain rods were collected.

There is of course always the possibility that Oswald had a set of curtain rods stored with his belongings of which Ruth Paine knew nothing. It is speculation, but it would explain the anomaly in the evidence.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #736 on: March 14, 2021, 12:14:21 AM »
The curtain rods were collected from the Paine's garage, there was only two of them and both were there.

Which suggests that there must have been a third set, which was presented to the identification bureau of the DPD by Secret Service Agent Howlett on 5/15/64 and not collected from there until the day after Ruth Paine's testimony at her home, which was when the two sets of curtain rods were collected.

There is of course always the possibility that Oswald had a set of curtain rods stored with his belongings of which Ruth Paine knew nothing. It is speculation, but it would explain the anomaly in the evidence.

Mr. JENNER - Let us return to the curtain rods first. Do you still have those curtain rods?
Mrs. PAINE - I believe so.
Mr. JENNER - You believe so, or you know; which?
Mrs. PAINE - I think Michael went to look after the assassination, whether these were still in the garage.


This is pure comedy. As if establishing whether any curtain rods had gone missing from the garage were not one of the most urgent tasks of the investigation on Day One!
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #738 on: March 14, 2021, 01:14:23 AM »
In March 1964 it seems he went home.....no mention of the hospital visit.

Mr. BALL - At any time before you went home, did you hear anybody ask for Lee?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all that was there could go ahead and go home.
Mr. BALL - Then you went on home?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Buell went home.....as one would expect.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #739 on: March 14, 2021, 02:31:59 AM »


Notice what Det. McCabe & Co. didn't officially
a) look for
b) find
in the Paine home!
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #740 on: March 14, 2021, 09:41:20 AM »
I said a Buell Frazier in CYA mode.

Nobody cares what you say. Given a choice between the words of Frazier and you, you'll always lose.

'Oh yes, there are photographs'. Yeah sure. And I met Oswald, and yes there are photographs but you will never get to see them.

Not interested in seeing a photograph of one corpse visiting another.

Another shallow nothingburger from the CT lunatic fringe. You've clearly missed my point. But inadvertently proved it, by doing exactly what I said: That you Oswald-lovers will cling onto anything that even a Buell Frazier in CYA mode would say.

Buell Frazier clearly owns you.

EDIT: 8:50am EST
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #741 on: March 14, 2021, 02:12:24 PM »
Another shallow nothingburger from the CT lunatic fringe. You've clearly missed my point. But inadvertently proved it, by doing exactly what I said: That you Oswald-lovers will cling onto anything that even a Buell Frazier in CYA mode would say.

Buell Frazier clearly owns you.

EDIT: 8:50am EST

Again, nobody cares what you say.

I have no idea what Buell Frazier would have said in CYA mode and neither do you.