The Shot That Missed

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The Shot That Missed
« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2021, 01:01:57 AM »
Here’s another account that is indicative of an early first shot:

From FBI report dated 1/10/64 of Mrs. Jeannette E. Hooker, Deputy District Court Clerk:

From Judge WILSON's court room window, she observed the Presidential Motorcade turn west on Elm Street. Mrs. HOOKER estimated that the President's car was almost to the R. L. THORNTON Freeway when she heard three gunshots.

It appears that she heard the first shot before the limo reached the R.L. Thornton Freeway sign. And, from that approximate line of sight, this would be well before the Z223 time frame position of the limo. How much before then is dependent upon what distance she means by “almost to.” And which specific window she was watching from. But this account does appear to exclude the Z223 time frame as being the time of the first shot.

Online Charles Collins

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Re: The Shot That Missed
« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2021, 03:36:11 PM »
Here is an excerpt from an article on HistoryNet:

https://www.historynet.com/president-john-f-kennedy-eyewitness-accounts-of-the-events-surrounding-jfks-assassination.htm


Malcolm Summers: I was within five feet of the curb. They came around and then the first I heard was, I thought, was a firecracker…because the FBI, Secret Service people that was on the back of that car, they looked down at the ground….I think they thought it was a firecracker…I thought in my mind, well, what a heck of a joke, you know, to be playing like that. Then the car kept coming, and then the second shot rang out. And then the third…rang out. I saw Kennedy get hit. I heard Connally say, “They’re going to kill us all!” or “shoot us all.” …And then, I heard Jackie Kennedy scream out, “Oh, God! No, no, no!”

And here is a link to the Sixth Floor Museum’s Oral History interview which I believe is the source of that quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrkGCDQubhQ


Hickey can be seen leaning over to his left and looking down towards the President’s limo’s tires shortly after the Z133 time frame. Put this together with Malcom Summers’ account of when he thought that the first shot sounded; and it is credible evidence of an early first shot miss.

Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: The Shot That Missed
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2021, 05:15:36 AM »
It is certain that the first shot was at about Z123.
In the simultaneous synchronized footage JFK is shown say 10 ft past the signal arm when the first shot happens.
I prefer  that JFK is in line with the arm, which is why i deduct 10 frames from Z133 based on 1 ft per frame.
And as a part of that i place Z133 at the point where the sound of the shot has been inserted, not a half second further down Elm.
But the underlying info that i base all of that on might be in error.
I like the analysis of the delays in perception etc, but i feel that an analysis dealing with the earliest reaction rather than a group average would yield an earlier time for shot-1, nearer my Z123, or even say Z113.

Nearly forgot. The CIA footage looking back at the SN shows a large hole in the signal backboard, which is due to the design/manufacture, but i see a small (bullet) hole next to that hole.  However for that corner of the signal to get in the way of Oswald's shot the limo would have to be partly into the left lane. I reckon that there was a multi ricochet involving the pipe &  collar & guy rods (& perhaps lastly off the signal), the lead hitting the road & 2 copper fragments finishing in the limo, one ovem glancing JFK's head. Hence i am not going to waste time looking for that bullet hole, although if that bullet then ricocheted off the main body of the signal then that could send the lead towards the road & 2 copper fragment towards the limo.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2021, 05:31:10 AM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: The Shot That Missed
« Reply #87 on: February 12, 2021, 10:09:36 PM »
These SS agents are also probably noticing the umbrella man residing his umbrella up and the DC man moving forward with his hand upraised making apparently some kind of gesture