Not Your Steppin' Stone

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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2020, 05:40:24 AM »
Whatever Biden does, the Republicans will always complain and criticize him. They did it to Obama and they'll do it to Biden.
IMO they are best to be ignored.

But he can "reach across the aisle."  LOL.  Obama was a do nothing but at least he had his marbles.  China Joe doesn't have a clue.  If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2020, 06:02:39 AM »
But he can "reach across the aisle."  LOL.  Obama was a do nothing but at least he had his marbles.  China Joe doesn't have a clue.  If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.

But he can "reach across the aisle." 

He can try, but with the extreme right on the other side, it won't do much good.

If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.

Your delusion is getting worse. Get help!

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2020, 06:26:07 AM »
But he can "reach across the aisle."  LOL.  Obama was a do nothing but at least he had his marbles.  China Joe doesn't have a clue.  If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.

Every single prediction you’ve made so far has failed miserably. You really should give it up.

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2020, 12:15:19 PM »
Hard to see something notably good coming from Bidens presidency as he's been in politics for 48 years and just seems to go through the motions. A bit like most politics. All flashy promises but no results.

Seems he managed to maintain democracy. Got to be worth something. But to far fewer than previously thought.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2020, 07:51:28 PM »

From the first dose, it takes 10 days to get a good deal of immunity. 21 days after the first vaccine, a person should receive the second. So, by about 31 days after the first vaccine, a person should be pretty safe.

Prediction. By the end of January, we should have roughly 25 million people immunized. In theory, this should make a big difference. I suspect that in reality, it won’t.

The vaccines are not by given out randomly, but to a large extend to the people who tend to need hospitals, people living in convalescent hospitals. So, when 1,000 people out of every 1,000,000 get the virus, that is enough to strain the hospitals to the max. California is approaching that. But most of the people with COVID-19 in the hospital came from convalescent hospitals. So, once they are vaccinated, we should be out of the woods, right?

I don’t think so. With the very elderly not vaccinated, 1,000 people out of every 1,000,000 getting COVID-19 a day, is enough to fill the hospitals. But with just that small group vaccinated, it will probably take 5,000 people out of every 1,000,000 getting sick a day to fill the hospitals, now mostly with patients between 40 to 70, who were not vaccinated. The problem is, we can easily reach a point where 5,000 people out of every 1,000,000 come down with COVID-19 every day.

And Americans shows a pattern, that when we think they are out of the woods, we let down our guard. When people let down their guard, the virus can easily double every two weeks, or even faster, as has had happened in California during the last month. I think the big problem we are having now was mostly caused by people hearing the vaccines are almost here and so they let down their guard and got together with others for Thanksgiving and other get togethers.

When we get the good news that the number of people in the hospitals have gone down a lot, the rate of transmission is going to shoot up. And likely will shoot up in anticipation of that news.

Don’t let down your guard. We won’t be out of the woods until, perhaps, 70% have been vaccinated. Maybe your next get together should be for the Fourth of July.

Finally, if you come down with COVID-19 while the hospitals are maxed out, your odds of dying are multiplied by 5, maybe 10.

And don’t delay getting the vaccine. A wait of an extra month can be fatal. It may push you into a period when the hospitals are maxed out. As things get better, things are going to get worse. You can bank on it.
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2020, 08:30:19 PM »

I want to emphasis again.

The vaccine being distributed this month to a small portion of the population should, in theory, get us out of the current crisis. The U. S. could continue to get 700, or 1,000 people sick a day, for every million people, and not stress the hospitals too much, as is happening today. Because most of the people who take up room in the hospitals come from the vulnerable groups. But, if we celebrate and let our guard down, we could end up with 4,000 people sick a day, which could overfill our hospitals.

Once the hospitals get maxed out, the death rate will go up by a factor of 5 for people who can’t get in and receive proper treatment.

People being careless will negate the use of the vaccine in its current limited quantity. In California, in the last 6 weeks, the number of people who have come down with COVID-19 has increased by a factor of 8. The infection rate doubled every two weeks. Thanksgiving was a real disaster. Even with the most vulnerable portion of the population being vaccinated, if the rate keeps doubling every two weeks over the next month, we will be as bad off as of we took protective measures but got no vaccine.

If everyone gets together for Christmas like they usually do, it will totally negate the positive effects of getting the vaccine to the most vulnerable people. Put off your Christmas till 2021, or Christmas 2020 will be the last Christmas for many. Even if you survive, as you probably would, you can end the lives of others, even some who gave up their Christmas, because of the selflessness of you and others.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Not Your Steppin' Stone
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2020, 05:00:28 AM »

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