The Bus Stop Farce

[Charles Collins]

Says the guy who just changed to subject to argue about what “arbitrary” means.

No change of subject needed. Both of you two used arbitrary in your claim.

And I provided the definition, without any intent to argue about whether the dictionary is correct or not.

Neither of you have even tried to back up your claim. So why the heck should anyone believe anything either one of you have to say?

[John Iacoletti]

No change of subject needed. Both of you two used arbitrary in your claim.

And I provided the definition, without any intent to argue about whether the dictionary is correct or not.

Neither of you have even tried to back up your claim. So why the heck should anyone believe anything either one of you have to say?

Of course we did. Bowles stated that he established his zero-base time as a matter of practicality and it was not intended to reflect the actual time of the shooting. Instead of acknowledging that, you chose to attack a perfectly valid use of the word “arbitrary” instead.

[Charles Collins]

Of course we did. Bowles stated that he established his zero-base time as a matter of practicality and it was not intended to reflect the actual time of the shooting. Instead of acknowledging that, you chose to attack a perfectly valid use of the word “arbitrary” instead.

Valid in what sense?

Bowles derived the time to be reasonably accurate for practical purposes. He describes his methods and invites anyone to look it over and make up their own minds as to how accurate they believe it to be. There is absolutely nothing arbitrary about any of that. Period.

[John Iacoletti]

everyone seems to agree that Channel 2 was running within a minute or two of "real" time that day.

“Everyone” most certainly does not agree with this. Where did you get that idea?

In this case, we're talking about people running around with a cheap mechanical clock on their wrist that was last synchronized God knows when with a reference that was God knows haw far off of standard time. 

We’re also talking about cheap manual dispatcher clocks that were last synchronized God knows when with a reference that was God knows haw far off of standard time.  The difference being that there is nothing else that corroborates the time surrounding Tippit’s death with the dictabelt time checks.

That's someone who's used to missing her bus and knew to give herself more than enough time for the next one. That's not someone who I'd expect to have a good grasp of exactly what time it was.

Pure speculation. There’s no reason to believe that Markham was “used to missing her bus”..

There is one other source for time in the Tippit case that you don't realize exists. The records of Dudley Hughes Funeral Home. Back in '64, George and Patricia Nash interviewed the folks at that establishment and were allowed access to the Hughes ambulance dispatch documentation for the Tippit case. The Dudley Hughes dispatcher received the call from the DPD to dispatch an ambulance to 501 E 10th (ie, responding to Mrs Wright's call) at 1:18PM.

Then let’s see this documentation.

The "alternative" clock that I always remember offhand is in the McIntire photo of the Presidential limousine catching up to the lead car just west of the triple overpass. In the background, you can see that the Hertz clock atop the roof of the TSBD is showing "12:30."

That’s great, except we don’t know when the Hertz clock was last calibrated either and with what source. And that doesn’t help us establish timing surrounding the channel 1 dispatcher’s time checks near the time of the Tippit shooting anyway.

[John Iacoletti]

Valid in what sense?

Already answered.

“based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something” - Merriam-Webster

That fits this usage whether you approve or not.

[Walt Cakebread]

Devil's advocate.  After 57 years this is the first I can recall reading anthing that direcly contradicts Roberts' story of seeing LHO standing at the bus stop.  Not only that, it quotes Roberts as saying something entirely different, i.e., that LHO (after hesitating) went off RUNNING south on Beckley.  No one saw LHO on the walk from the boarding house to 10th and Patton much less saw LHO running anywhere.  A man standing at a bus stop is easier to miss than a man running on a residential street.

If I read the OP correctly, Aynesworth waited 6 months from the interview with Roberts to make his handwritten notes, so how do we know he correctly remembered what she said? 

Since the running story fits the WR conclusion so well it's strange that it has been buried so long.  Not only does it have LHO going in the right direction toward Tippit it has him running so as to give him enough time to make the rendezvous.

Still, an interesting story no doubt but to me it raises its own issues.

Since the running story fits the WR conclusion so well it's strange that it has been buried so long.  Not only does it have LHO going in the right direction toward Tippit it has him running so as to give him enough time to make the rendezvous.

What's so strange about the tale ?.....   The LNers have been attempting to bolster their unbelievable and flimsy BS tale ( the Warren Report)  September of 1964. 

[Charles Collins]

Already answered.

“based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something” - Merriam-Webster

That fits this usage whether you approve or not.

Not even close. Bowles derived the time. It was not based on his individual preference or convenience. It was based on events surrounding the start of the open-mike transmission. I said you wouldn’t admit being wrong. And you haven’t disappointed.