The Bus Stop Farce

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The Bus Stop Farce
« Reply #490 on: December 12, 2020, 10:12:24 PM »
Hey, a LN who can't explain a contradiction between the actual evidence and a claim of a WC witness.... Now, where have I seen that before?

Pay attention: Bledsoe described what she saw

Booyah

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #491 on: December 12, 2020, 10:18:37 PM »
Pay attention: Bledsoe described what she saw

Booyah

She also described where she saw it; at her house, when they brought the (wrong) shirt to her, prior to her testimony.

And although she made notes to keep her story straight, she still messed it up in her testimony.

Booyah

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #492 on: December 12, 2020, 10:35:46 PM »
She also described where she saw it; at her house, when they brought the (wrong) shirt to her, prior to her testimony.

And although she made notes to keep her story straight, she still messed it up in her testimony.

Booyah

Mr. BALL - How close did he pass to you as he boarded the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Just in front of me. Just like this [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Just a matter of a foot or two?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.

Close enough to notice a hole. Booyah.

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #493 on: December 12, 2020, 10:46:47 PM »
Mr. BALL - How close did he pass to you as he boarded the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Just in front of me. Just like this [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Just a matter of a foot or two?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.

Close enough to notice a hole. Booyah.

She says she saw him on the bus (McWatters wasn't so sure), so what?

During her testimony she recognized the shirt from when they brought it to her home;

Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BMLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed it.
Mr. BALL - I know. What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, because I can recognize it.
Mr. BALL - Recognize it as what?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, sir; see there?
Mr. BALL - Yes. You tell me what do you see here? What permits you to recognize it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I recognize---first thing I notice the elbow is out and then I saw---when the man brought it out and let me see it?
Mr. BALL - No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now, and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is it"?

She noticed the hole when they brought the shirt to her home. Booyah.

Btw.. in her affidavit she only mentions seeing Oswald on a bus. Not a word about a hole in a sleeve! Go figure
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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #494 on: December 13, 2020, 03:31:22 PM »
Thanks to Pat Speer for adding one additional photo to his webpage that shows the back side of the CE 151 shirt. On this photo (and the one of the front side, and the close-ups of the back sides of the lower sleeves) I do not see the torn fabric that looks to me to be apparent on the WC photo of CE 151. So I have to conclude that my imagination got the best of me, and they do not actually exist.

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #495 on: December 13, 2020, 05:44:19 PM »
Or, alternatively, some LN nut can't see the hole in any picture and his mindless conclusion is that it was there nevertheless!

I've seen the shirt as well, and the hole is there and not difficult to notice at all. You are lying again, as per usual.

The hole wasn't there on 11/22/63, when Oswald was arrested and I challenge you to find one picture, out of the many that exist from that day, that actually shows the hole. With so many photos having been taken that day, there should at least be one that shows the hole, right?

Yes, random people were in on the plot!   With important roles like saying Oswald had a hole in his shirt!  These folks lied and the evidence was faked for some unknown reason that we are left to figure out for ourselves since you are not a CTer right?  LOL  The contrarian strikes again.   You should be embarrassed.

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #496 on: December 13, 2020, 06:24:41 PM »
Yes, random people were in on the plot!   With important roles like saying Oswald had a hole in his shirt!  These folks lied and the evidence was faked for some unknown reason that we are left to figure out for ourselves since you are not a CTer right?  LOL  The contrarian strikes again.   You should be embarrassed.

Hysterial. Is that really the limit of your comprehension skills? Are you stuck at the drama queen level forever?

Bledsoe was simply an old woman, easily sceptible to being influenced. Those people do exist, but why am I telling you that. You're one of them.

Bledsoe went to the police to say she had seen Oswald on the bus. Once the WC understood how valuable such an identification could be, they send two officers to her home, prior to her testimony, to show her the arrest shirt (CE 150), which by then was damaged on a sleeve, probably by the examination of the FBI on Saturday after the assassination. That was enough for Bledsoe to let the memory take hold that she had seen that shirt, with a hole in the sleeve, before.

Despite the notes she made, she nevertheless couldn't get her story straight during her testimony, which was at best confusing. They could have easily tried to clear it up by asking more pertinent questions, but that would mean risking that she would selfdestruct completely. A good lawyer knows when to stop fighting a losing battle.

Obviously, when all this happened they had not figured out that they actually showed her the wrong shirt (it should have been CE 151) nor did they figure that somebody would notice there was no hole in the sleeve of CE 150, when Oswald was still wearing it after his arrest.

It was IMO most certainly part of the WC cover up but not necessarily part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.