The Bus Stop Farce

[Martin Weidmann]

I didn't say that the jacket was zipped up only halfway.


I believe eyewitnesses to a crime make mistakes almost always, when it comes to clothing descriptions.  This is obvious.  It happens.

Set aside the description of color for a minute.  I would like to know what some conspiracy advocates believe happened to the jacket that Oswald was zipping up as he went out the front door of the rooming house.  He left the house wearing a jacket and was seen at the shoe store entrance with no jacket.  Even if the jacket was rainbow-colored, what happened to it?  Why did Oswald get rid of it?


Thanks Alan.  I appreciate that. buddy.


Alan, Happy Thanksgiving to you and your loved ones.

Set aside the description of color for a minute.

And why would you want to set aside such a crucial part of the description?

I would like to know what some conspiracy advocates believe happened to the jacket that Oswald was zipping up as he went out the front door of the rooming house.  He left the house wearing a jacket and was seen at the shoe store entrance with no jacket.  Even if the jacket was rainbow-colored, what happened to it?  Why did Oswald get rid of it?

The only witness you have for Oswald leaving the rooming house wearing a jacket is half blind Earlene "I was concentrating on the television" Roberts and she - as she was trying to get the tv to work - clearly had her back turned to Oswald as he walked through the room towards the door. She only saw him for a (couple of) second(s).

On the other hand, there is evidence from Buell Wesley Frazier that Oswald wore a grey jacket to Irving on Thursday night and returned to the TSBD with the blue/grey jacket that was later found there.

As Marina told us Oswald only had two jackets, one of which was grey, both Roberts and Frazier can't be right. Unless you resolve first that Oswald's grey jacket was in fact at the rooming house for him to put on, you can not argue that he left wearing it.

One more thing about the jacket. When it was found it was described as being white by the officer who called it in. That jacket then somehow disappeared from view for at least 90 minutes. We have no information, no report or chain of custody, to show who brought that particular jacket to the police station. What we do know is that, around the time the officers came back from the first search of Ruth Paine's house, a grey jacket suddenly appeared in Captain Westbrook's possession with initials on it from officers who had not been involved in the discovery of the jacket at the parking lot. Now, how in the world can that be?

[Jerry Freeman]

She's on video explaining what she saw, regarding the man who killed Tippit.

Post Warren video is not the same evidence as- in the course of Warren hearings testimony is...not any more than the convoluted description that was made by Markham to Mark Lane.
Nothing concerning Mr Lane was ever valid as your section of the field has made it clear for years. Just because he was Mark Lane it seems.
On the Lane audio recording Mrs Markham said that there was no one else around when the cop was shot. So how accurate was that?

[Jerry Freeman]

I believe eyewitnesses to a crime make mistakes almost always, when it comes to clothing descriptions.  This is obvious.  It happens.   I would like to know what some conspiracy advocates believe happened to the jacket that Oswald was zipping up as he went out the front door of the rooming house.  He left the house wearing a jacket and was seen at the shoe store entrance with no jacket. ...what happened to it?  Why did Oswald get rid of it?

Picking and choosing testimony to fit a narrative. Whose word was it that Oswald was zipping up a jacket?...but this same person was in error when mentioning seeing Oswald near the bus stop north of the house. Perhaps Roberts was wrong about the jacket in the first place....who knows for sure?

[Joffrey van de Wiel]

Mrs. Roberts' affidavit:

I noticed he had a jacket he was putting on. I recall the jacket was a dark color and it was the type that zips up the front. He was zipping the jacket up as he left.

Note the details: dark coloured - zipper type - zipping it as Oswald left.

Being half blind does not make her half-witted.

[Martin Weidmann]

Mrs. Roberts' affidavit:

I noticed he had a jacket he was putting on. I recall the jacket was a dark color and it was the type that zips up the front. He was zipping the jacket up as he left.

Note the details: dark coloured - zipper type - zipping it as Oswald left.

Being half blind does not make her half-witted.

Being half blind does not make her half-witted.

Never said it did, but good observation is not a quality many people are blessed with;

Mrs. ROBERTS. He just walked in---he didn't look around at me---he didn't say nothing and went on to his room.
Mr. BALL. Did he run?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He wasn't running, but he was walking pretty fast---he was all but running.
Mr. BALL. Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen him wear that jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I can't say I did---if I did, I don't remember it.
Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.
Mr. BALL. What color was his shirt? Do you know?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't remember. I didn't pay that much attention for I was interested in the television trying to get it fixed.

She was shown the grey jacket (CE 162) during her testimony ;

Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?
Mr. BALL. Yes---it has a zipper down the front.
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe it was.
Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.
Mr. BALL. He was zipping it up as he went out the door?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.

Her powers of observation seem to have failed her when seeing the color of the jacket, so all you really got left is a "maybe it was" because she remembered seeing Oswald zipping up a jacket.... 

And that's the same woman who, according to the LNs did not see a police car in front of the house, nor did she see Oswald standing at the bus stop.

Hardly sound and conclusive evidence of Oswald leaving the rooming house with a grey jacket that was later found in a car park and called in as being white.

[Jerry Freeman]

Hardly sound and conclusive evidence of Oswald leaving the rooming house with a grey jacket that was later found in a car park and called in as being white.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what color his trousers were?
Mrs. DAVIS. [Virginia] I think they were black. Brown jacket and trousers.

[Jerry Freeman]

On the Lane audio recording [heard by the Commissioners]...Mrs Markham said that there was no one else around when the cop was shot. So how accurate was that?

Jack Moriarty [HSCA]- Did you not report this information [to the Tippit shooting] to the authorities?
Jack Ray Tatum-There were more than enough people there and I could not see what I could contribute.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/tatum.htm