The Bus Stop Farce

[Charles Collins]

Whether Roberts saw Oswald standing at the bus stop or not is of very little significance. Roberts tells us that when Oswald came in she was trying to get the television to work to watch the news at 1 o'clock and that he left again after about 3 minutes.
We also know from the Gary Mack time trial that the fastest route between Beckley and 10th street took 11 minutes to walk.

Combined this means that Oswald couldn't have gotten to 10th street until 1.12 pm at the earliest. Add on two minutes for a short conversation with Tippit and the events that followed and you've got a shooting at 1.14 pm.

The problem is there is convincing circumstantial evidence to justify the conclusion that the actual time of the shooting most likely was between 1.06 and 1.10. For instance, Markham said she took the same bus, on Jefferson, every day at approx 1.15 pm, which of course means that she would have been at the bus stop at the time of the shooting and thus couldn't have been at 10th street at 1.14 to witness it.

So, you see, the whole point of Oswald waiting at the bus stop or not is really a trivial matter.

It never ceases to amaze what the naysayers believe...

[John Iacoletti]

There is no doubt in my mind that he took notes of what Earlene Roberts said as she said it.

That may be so, but there's no evidence that it's actually true.

Nor is there any good reason to believe that Aynesworth's May 1964 account is more accurate than Roberts' own April 1964 account.

[Charles Collins]

That may be so, but there's no evidence that it's actually true.

Nor is there any good reason to believe that Aynesworth's May 1964 account is more accurate than Roberts' own April 1964 account.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Aynesworth is still around. If you yourself went to his house and he dug out his 11/22/63 handwritten notes from a pile of dusty old boxes right in front of your eyes. There is no good reason to believe that you wouldn’t say that there isn’t any good reason to believe that Aynesworth’s notes were authentic.

You are like a broken record. Same thing over and over again...

[Martin Weidmann]

It never ceases to amaze what the naysayers believe...

It never ceases to amaze how much factual evidence LNs are willing to overlook to keep Oswald in play as the lone gunman.

According to the FBI, the departure times for Markham's bus on Jefferson were 1.12 and 1.22. Markham herself estimated the time to be 1.15. You can't explain how she possibly could have watched a shooting at 10th street if that shooting happened at 1.14 or 1.15.

Get back to me when you have a plausible answer....

[Richard Smith]

It never ceases to amaze what the naysayers believe...

Yes, it is laughable.  Only if a CTer went back in a time machine with a stop watch could they come up with that level of specificity of events down to the minute.  The fact remains that several people put Oswald at the scene of the Tippit murder.  If he was there, then the timing issue is not relevant.  However he got there, he was there.  That's all that matters.   And there is no doubt of that.  CTers want to go down various rabbit holes with baseless claims like "add on two minutes for a short conversation with Tippit." And bus departure times as though those couldn't vary and are accurate down to the minute.  But then dismiss anything they do not like as the product of "speculation."  LOL. There is zero doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.  It's just the same old song and dance.  Very tiresome.

[Martin Weidmann]

Yes, it is laughable.  Only if a CTer went back in a time machine with a stop watch could they come up with that level of specificity of events down to the minute.  The fact remains that several people put Oswald at the scene of the Tippit murder.  If he was there, then the timing issue is not relevant.  However he got there, he was there.  That's all that matters.   And there is no doubt of that.  CTers want to go down various rabbit holes with baseless claims like "add on two minutes for a short conversation with Tippit." And bus departure times as though those couldn't vary and are accurate down to the minute.  But then dismiss anything they do not like as the product of "speculation."  LOL. There is zero doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.  It's just the same old song and dance.  Very tiresome.

Yes, it is laughable.  Only if a CTer went back in a time machine with a stop watch could they come up with that level of specificity of events down to the minute.  The fact remains that several people put Oswald at the scene of the Tippit murder.  If he was there, then the timing issue is not relevant.   

Pathetic. When witness testimony is not to a LN's liking, the witnesses are unreliable. When circumstantial evidence does not support the LN's case, the witnesses suddenly become reliable, except of course for those who say something that does not fit the narrative.

But thanks for proving the point I made earlier;

It never ceases to amaze how much factual evidence LNs are willing to overlook to keep Oswald in play as the lone gunman.

However he got there, he was there.  That's all that matters.

It's all that matters in your mixed up world, that's for sure, but in the real world, when there is evidence that a suspect could not physically have been at a particular place, at a particular time, to commit the crime, there is no opportunity to commit the murder, regardless of what witnesses say and believe they saw.

CTers want to go down various rabbit holes with baseless claims like "add on two minutes for a short conversation with Tippit." And bus departure times as though those couldn't vary and are accurate down to the minute.

More idiocy. We know that Tippit's killer talked to the officer after being called over. The man walking towards the passenger door of the car, talking to Tippit and the latter getting out of the car and walk to the front all takes time. Two minutes is a fair assumption, but even if it only took one, it still doesn't matter for the timeline.

The departure times for the bus did probably vary, which is why the FBI found that the schedule said the bus stopped at Jefferson at 1.12. and 1.22. Markham estimated she took the bus at 1.15. That could be either a delayed 1.12 bus of simply the 1.22 bus. It is of no relevance which bus it was. What is relevant is that Markham could not witness a shooting at 10th street at 1.14 or 1.15 when in fact she would already have been at the bus stop. If that's too much logic for you, I'm sorry, I can't fix stupid!

Btw I saw you complaining about applied logic in the matter of the bus stop, but what I did not see was an explanation for Markham allegedly still being at 10th street at 1.14 / 1.15 when she herself said she took her daily bus on Jefferson at 1.15. You don't even try to explain it for an obvious reason; you can't!

But then dismiss anything they do not like as the product of "speculation."  LOL.

Like what? Give one example.... I bet you can't.

There is zero doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit. 

Than prove it..... I bet you can't. But then, for everything you believe there is zero doubt in your mind. Just like Trump winning the election LOL

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, it is laughable.  Only if a CTer went back in a time machine with a stop watch could they come up with that level of specificity of events down to the minute.  The fact remains that several people put Oswald at the scene of the Tippit murder.  If he was there, then the timing issue is not relevant.   

Pathetic. When witness testimony is not to a LN's liking, the witnesses are unreliable. When circumstantial evidence does not support the LN's case, the witnesses suddenly become reliable, except of course for those who say something that does not fit the narrative.

However he got there, he was there.  That's all that matters.

In the real world, when there is evidence that a suspect could not physically have been at a particular place, there is no opportunity to commit the murder, regardless of what witnesses say and believe they saw.

CTers want to go down various rabbit holes with baseless claims like "add on two minutes for a short conversation with Tippit." And bus departure times as though those couldn't vary and are accurate down to the minute.

More idiocy. We know that Tippit's killer talked to the officer after being called over. The man walking towards the passenger door of the car, talking to Tippit and the latter getting out of the car and walk to the front all takes time. Two minutes is a fair assumption, but even if it only took one, it still doesn't matter for the timeline.

The departure times for the bus did probably vary, which is why the FBI found that the schedule said the bus stopped at Jefferson at 1.12. and 1.22. Markham estimated she took the bus at 1.15. That could be either a delayed 1.12 bus of simply the 1.22 bus. It is of no relevance which bus it was. What is relevant is that Markham could not witness a shooting at 10th street at 1.14 or 1.15 when in fact she would already have been at the bus stop. If that's too much logic for you, I'm sorry, I can't fix stupid!

Btw I saw you complaining about applied logic in the matter of the bus stop, but what I did not see was an explanation for Markham allegedly still being at 10th street at 1.14 / 1.15 when she herself said she took her daily bus on Jefferson at 1.15. You don't even try to explain it for an obvious reason; you can't!

But then dismiss anything they do not like as the product of "speculation."  LOL.

Like what? Give one example.... I bet you can't.

There is zero doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit. 

Than prove it..... I bet you can't. But then, for everything you believe there is zero doubt in your mind. Just like Trump winning the election LOL

The departure times for the bus did probably vary, which is why the FBI found that the schedule said the bus stopped at Jefferson at 1.12. and 1.22. Markham estimated she took the bus at 1.15. That could be either a delayed 1.12 bus of simply the 1.22 bus. It is of no relevance which bus it was. What is relevant is that Markham could not witness a shooting at 10th street at 1.14 or 1.15 when in fact she would already have been at the bus stop.

Buses run on a tight schedule....  If the route timetable says that a bus will be at a certain location ( Jefferson and Patton) at a posted time then the bus will be there at that time.   However, occasionally a bus will be delayed by traffic and arrive at the bus stop a bit late....( but NEVER will a bus be early)