The Bus Stop Farce

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #126 on: November 26, 2020, 12:39:12 AM »
She also said the man who shot the policeman was Lee Oswald.  So, what now?
You never read anyone's posts but your own do you? Cite the testimony where Mrs Markham actually ever says "I saw Oswald shoot the cop". Now ..I have read her testimony several times and she was told by the Commissioners that it was Oswald who did it but for some apparent reluctance issue...she never said "I saw Oswald shoot Tippit".
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Mr. BALL. When you identified Oswald--it was the number 2 man--were you told the number 2 man whom you identified in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, I was not.
Mr. BALL. Were you ever told his name?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No.
Mr. BALL. Ever told his name later?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Nobody, nobody told me nothing.
None of this "It was #2" stuff  ... No "He gave me the willies" --Where did she say it outright "Oswald shot the policeman"? Look for it here. It will not be found. Psychology interceded ..She knew it wasn't Lee Oswald.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/markham1.htm
Then show us where he denied it.
You will just have to take the cops' word for it I'm afraid. Unfortunately...they are all dead by now.   

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #127 on: November 26, 2020, 12:55:24 AM »
You never read anyone's posts but your own do you? Cite the testimony where Mrs Markham actually ever says "I saw Oswald shoot the cop". Now ..I have read her testimony several times and she was told by the Commissioners that it was Oswald who did it but for some apparent reluctance issue...she never said "I saw Oswald shoot Tippit". None of this "It was #2" stuff  ... No "He gave me the willies" --Where did she say it outright "Oswald shot the policeman"? Look for it here. It will not be found. Psychology interceded ..She knew it wasn't Lee Oswald.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/markham1.htmYou will just have to take the cops' word for it I'm afraid. Unfortunately...they are all dead by now.

You will just have to take the cops' word for it I'm afraid. Unfortunately...they are all dead by now.

Did the cops say that John Iacoletti denied that Oswald had a revolver when he was arrested? You've got me all confused now, Jerry.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #128 on: November 26, 2020, 03:01:59 AM »
Did the cops say that John Iacoletti denied that Oswald had a revolver when he was arrested? You've got me all confused now, Jerry.
That really confused me.
An aside from whatever Mr Iacoletti may have inferred...There is recorded [as I recall] Oswald's statements about a pistol in some scribbled notes by Will Fritz chronicled whenever.
Also in testimony..
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Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he did after he left the building?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.
We know that Fritz lied in his testimony..denying anything said by Roger Craig and Oswald's reaction at that time.
This title of the thread alluding to a "farce" is in itself a farce.   

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #129 on: November 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM »
That's what I thought. You can't show it.

Btw, asking for proof or even just evidence is not the same as denying something.

Show us where Iacoletti has ever said anything at all points to Oswald.

I don't have to show anything: Officer McDonald provided evidence of Oswald pulling his gun out. Witness testimony is evidence.
In CT land, nothing is knowable and nothing is provable. An attitude that can best be described as fringeworthy.

Mr. BALL - Which hand was--was his right hand or his left hand on the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - His right hand was on the pistol.
Mr. BALL - And which of your hands?
Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #130 on: November 26, 2020, 03:37:31 PM »


And he is arrested a short distance away with a pistol and the same two brands of ammo used at the Tippit scene.

What pistol would that be? The one that suddenly showed up in the police station, some two hours after Oswald's arrest and was initialed by police officers who were not even present at the arrest? Is that the pistol you mean?



Forget John I.  Martin/Roger himself has questioned in this very thread whether Oswald had a pistol on him.

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #131 on: November 26, 2020, 05:44:10 PM »
Show us where Iacoletti has ever said anything at all points to Oswald.

I don't have to show anything: Officer McDonald provided evidence of Oswald pulling his gun out. Witness testimony is evidence.
In CT land, nothing is knowable and nothing is provable. An attitude that can best be described as fringeworthy.

Mr. BALL - Which hand was--was his right hand or his left hand on the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - His right hand was on the pistol.
Mr. BALL - And which of your hands?
Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.


Show us where Iacoletti has ever said anything at all points to Oswald.

Irrelevant

I don't have to show anything

When you falsely claim that John Iacoletti has denied that Oswald had a revolver, yes you do have to show that.

Officer McDonald provided evidence of Oswald pulling his gun out. Witness testimony is evidence.

Yes, yes... we all know what McDonald said. And we also know that Fritz wrote in his notes that Oswald admitted that he carried a revolver. But which revolver, that's the question


Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2020, 05:46:39 PM »
Forget John I.  Martin/Roger himself has questioned in this very thread whether Oswald had a pistol on him.

Care to explain how a question about which revolver Oswald carried, in your mind, somehow turns into a question of whether Oswald had a revolver on him?

This should be good.