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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #371 on: November 09, 2021, 09:01:18 PM »
Could we have a name attached to your claim that because Shaw was found not guilty of conspiracy to murder JFK that people, who? where?, say that proves there was no conspiracy undertaken in the assassination to kill him?

No one that I've ever read on "my side" of this question of who killed Kennedy has stated that because Shaw didn't conspire with Oswald and Ferrie and others, as Garrison claimed, that that proves no other  conspiracy occurred. Certainly no one in this thread. That's not just a strawman argument it's an invisible strawman at that.

Maybe I need to get out more.

To add: the most influential, for good or bad, pro-conspiracy work on the assassination was Oliver Stone's movie "JFK." Which promoted the Garrison claim that Shaw conspired with others to kill JFK. The reason many lone assassin believers focus on the matter is largely because of this (and the fact that Garrison was a disgrace who smeared and ruined numerous innocent lives). This was not some obscure claim here; this was a major movie that was seen by millions around the world.

‘JFK’ is still one of the best political thrillers in American film history in my honest opinion. But I don’t think most people view it as a documentary. It’s very easy to find fact-checks of stuff in the movie around the web. Also, the wikipedia articles on the Kennedy assassination have an anti-conspiratorial tone in my opinion and I assume Wikipedia is where most people go to look up that sort of thing nowadays.

On the bright side, Stone’s film led to the ARRB and JFK records act (that Biden voted for in the Senate).

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #372 on: November 09, 2021, 09:40:42 PM »
Could we have a name attached to your claim that because Shaw was found not guilty of conspiracy to murder JFK that people, who? where?, say that proves there was no conspiracy undertaken in the assassination to kill him?.... it's an invisible strawman at that.
Nowhere did I mention that "it proves". Re-writing things that I didn't. Typical of the parrots. 

Online Fred Litwin

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« Reply #373 on: November 15, 2021, 01:54:41 PM »
Was Clay Shaw a "Contract Agent" for the CIA?
The Oliver Stone documentary, JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass, makes the claim that Clay Shaw was a "highly valued contract  agent" of the CIA." An honest evaluation of the evidence says differently.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-clay-shaw-a-contract-agent-for-the-cia

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Was Clay Shaw a "Contract Agent" for the CIA?
« Reply #374 on: November 15, 2021, 02:32:51 PM »
Fact: The HSCA reported that Shaw was a “highly paid CIA contract source”.

Speculation: Maybe the HSCA was mistaken

Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Was Clay Shaw a "Contract Agent" for the CIA?
« Reply #375 on: November 15, 2021, 03:27:54 PM »
The HSCA did not report that at all.

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Was Clay Shaw a "Contract Agent" for the CIA?
« Reply #376 on: November 15, 2021, 03:36:37 PM »
The HSCA did not report that at all.

fred

The memo we’re referencing was part of the HSCA’s investigation.

The quote comes from CIA historian, Kenneth McDonald

https://jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Shaw-as-informant.pdf

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Re: Was Clay Shaw a "Contract Agent" for the CIA?
« Reply #377 on: November 15, 2021, 04:34:58 PM »
Excellent summary of the evidence Fred. Until documents surface that prove McDonald's claim, we have to assume it was a misinterpretation of the records.