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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #203 on: August 25, 2021, 03:06:05 AM »
Hi Fred,

Through your research, did you find anything about the claim Dick Russell made in the 1992 version of his book about Voshinin? I only have the later version of this book which does not mention Voshinin at all in the index.

Apparently Russell interviewed both Igor and Natasha Voshinin. According to Russell, Natasha said that George de Mohrenschildt visited them on the Easter sunday after the Walker shooting and told them of his suspicion of Oswald being the Walker shooter. After after de Mohrenschildt left, Natasha phoned the Dallas FBI and told them of Oswald being a potential suspect. This would put this information in the possession of Hosty. Neither of the Voshinins mention this in their WC testimony however.

I find it difficult to believe Russell would make this up out of thin air or that Natasha Voshinin would make it up. Is Russell still standing by this claim and has he given an explanation for omitting it from he later release of his book?

More importantly, did Natasha Voshinin give Russell any explanation for not mentioning this detail in her WC testimony?

Gerry

As I recall .... In the book Marina and Lee Shortly before hightailing it out of Dallas in April of 63,  G. DeM visited a Russian woman whom he knew was an FBI informer and subtly attempted to get the FBI interested in Lee's "attempt" on Walker's life.   According to the woman,  George De M said something like ..." Ya know that scoundrel Lee Oswald is the guy who took that pot shot at General Walker". G. DeM knew the woman was an FBI informer and he knew that if the FBI listened to her they would come looking for him....  But he was on his way out of Dallas and on his way to CIA country in Virginia after he told her that.....     


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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #204 on: August 25, 2021, 03:47:54 AM »
As I recall .... In the book Marina and Lee Shortly before hightailing it out of Dallas in April of 63,  G. DeM visited a Russian woman whom he knew was an FBI informer and subtly attempted to get the FBI interested in Lee's "attempt" on Walker's life.   According to the woman,  George De M said something like ..." Ya know that scoundrel Lee Oswald is the guy who took that pot shot at General Walker". G. DeM knew the woman was an FBI informer and he knew that if the FBI listened to her they would come looking for him....  But he was on his way out of Dallas and on his way to CIA country in Virginia after he told her that.....     

I've just checked the relevant section of Marina and Lee - chapter 25. There is no mention of anything like you describe.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #205 on: August 25, 2021, 04:32:55 AM »
I've just checked the relevant section of Marina and Lee - chapter 25. There is no mention of anything like you describe.

Yes, I've also looked for the information and I can't find it....  I was certain that it was in Marina & Lee that I read about George saying that to the Russian woman....  I'm absolutely certain I read about De M telling the woman that Lee was the scoundrel who had taken a pot shot at Walker.....  Perhaps it wasn't in Marina & lee....  I'll keep trying to provide you with a reference ...

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Re: A Wrap-Up of the Richard Case Nagell story
« Reply #206 on: August 25, 2021, 04:51:27 AM »
I've just checked the relevant section of Marina and Lee - chapter 25. There is no mention of anything like you describe.

Don't worry, Walt is full of it fabrications.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,99.0.html

JohnM


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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #207 on: August 26, 2021, 03:31:02 PM »
You are not invisible, Tom.  Far from it.  Many descendants of whom you post about are reading with great aplomb.

Mark, it's just too complicated... (The bromo-seltzer convergence)

Some of US Treasury Secretary William McAdoo's children :

https://gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&n=mcadoo&oc=0&p=william+gibbs
Francis Huger McAdoo 1889- Married dau. of Emerson, their son, Francis Huger McAdoo Jr. was Princeton classmate of Lem Billings and Nicholas Katzenbach & became president of Emerson Drug. Katzenbach's schoolmates at Exeter were Cogswell and his friend, Richard Ober of Operation Chaos notoriety... Patsy Southgate and Richard were in brother Nathaniel Ober's wedding party, Cogswell's parents attended as guests.

Nona Hazlehurst McAdoo 1893-1971  Married in 1917 to Ferdinand de Mohrenschildt †1919

Robert Hazlehurst McAdoo 1900- First spouse became wife of Warren Commissioner Sen. John Sherman Cooper
 


Patsy Southgate was well connected with the Paris Review staff in Paris when Tom Devine's partner, John Train was Paris Review business manager, Tom Devine met with DeMohrenschildt two weeks after DeMohrenschildt asked Oswald, "Lee, how did you miss?"

Joseph Dryer, who Cogswell introduced to the HSCA, also met with DeMohrenschildt on the same day, April 25, 1963, as Devine did. Joseph Dryer to Joan Mellen that Tom Devine was his closest friend in Rochester, NY.

Devine's Sigma Chi housemate at M.I.T., a home of 16 fraternity brothers in residence, was Priscilla Johnson's CIA handler, Garry Coit.

Quote
https://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2020/12/
By Linda Minor
...
Alfred G., Jr. (eleven years younger than his half-brother) had, in the meantime, been growing up in the home of his own mother, Margaret Emerson Vanderbilt, who had married Alfred Sr. in 1911--the same year, incidentally that her own father, Isaac E. Emerson, the Bromo Seltzer king, remarried, after being dumped by Margaret's mother Emily a/k/a Emelie.

As an interesting sideline, it can be noted that at least four years before Emily formally married C. Hazeltine Basshor of Baltimore in 1912, her name was listed in the Baltimore directory as Emily Basshor at his address, though she was still married to Emerson. The Captain sued her for divorce, naming Basshor as co-respondent, most likely at the urging of Anne McCormack, who was full of schemes.

Isaac & Anne Emerson
In 1910 Emerson used his fizzy antacid fortune to acquire a huge estate in the Green Spring Valley of Maryland hunt country, and before long married Anne, along with her two teenage children--thus setting the stage for an elaborate wedding that was to come in 1913...

"John Sherman Cooper: The Global Kentuckian books.google.com › books
Robert Schulman · 2021
FOUND INSIDE
I hear John Cooper has been seeing a lot of Lorraine Shevlin.” Lorraine Rowan McAdoo Shevlin a well-educated, unusually charming “grass widow,” often ..."

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17688-lem-billings-george-de-mohrenschildt-lee-harvey-oswald/?tab=comments#comment-225401
Saturday, May 7, 2011

"Jim DiEugenio's presentation from NID 2010

"...George de Mohrenschildt knew Bush from his old geology days. The fact that de Mohrenschildt was interviewed by the CIA before he went to Haiti and did not tell him [bush] about his acquaintance with Oswald, or about the upcoming coup attempt in Haiti, this somehow became suspicious,... In my opinion de Mohrenschildt didn’t even know what he was doing with Oswald. And he didn’t know until after the fact...."

What would have to be discovered to persuade someone of Jim DiEugenio's stature and accomplishment related to JFK assassination research, analysis, and historical review, to persuade him to stop communicating the opinions I have quoted above?

I would have thought there was already enough information out there, to dispel the notions that, at the time, in late 1962 into early 1963, De Mohrenschildt was an unwitting escort of Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife, Marina. I would have thought there was too great an amount of troubling information linking GHW Bush and his intimates, Ed Hooker and Tom Devine to De Mohrenschildt to discourage anyone as knowledgeable as Jim DiEugenio from distributing such strong opinions.

Jim offers his opinion that Bush was involved in an October "surprise" in 1980, indicating, at least to me, that it is not necessary for there to be strong evidence to influence Jim to take a position on whether or not Bush conspired to commit a major crime against the state.

If Russ Baker had never authored "Family of Secrets" the connections between De Mohrenschildt and the Oswalds, and De Mohrenschildt and Ed Hooker, Bush, and Devine would still exist. It would still be necessary to determine if these connections were merely coincidental of a criminally conspiratorial nature.

Jim seems to be saying he is not interfering with the work of determining the above, because he says he believes there are numerous other reasons to convict Bush of crimes and to jail him. I cannot agree with this opinion, because I think Jim is saying Russ Baker fell woefully short of making his case, which was too farfetched a case to pursue, and besides, we as researchers, have better things to do with our time and effort, that there is more potentially fertile ground to plow than to work to make the determinations I described above, in our quests to turn up information that will help to rule out what is coincidence and devote our attention to what is evidence or a solid lead.

My take on this is that the connections I described above, the same names displayed in the thread title, have not been determined to be coincidental, even after all of these years. More effort must be put in to attempt to separate coincidences from leads, not less.

On other threads, I've posted recent related curiousities I've stumbled upon.

De Mohrenschildt rented a room in Washington, DC in May, 1942, from a US Navy officer named Paul Joachim who was the stepson of the designer of the Underwood Code Machine, aka, the kata-kana typewriter. Joachim retired from the navy in 1954 at the rank of rear admiral, pursued his life long passion for art, and was killed in Chicago in 1962 in a still unsolved murder by multiple gunshots.

Another naval officer was living at Joachim's house in May, 1942. His name was Harry Hull, he was a WWII submarine commander, retired from the navy with the rank of rear admiral, and was married from 1939 until his death, to a first cousin of James Kelsey Cogswell, III. Hull's mother was widowed in 1920 and married again in 1925 to a man whose brother became a four star US Navy admiral.

In 1953, James Kelsey Cogswell, III married the first cousin of Bush's best friend, Will Farish III. At his wedding ceremony with Joan Farish, Cogswell's best man was WWII US Navy, PT boat Squadron 7 radar officer and silver star medalist, George Olin Walbridge, 2d.

Walbridge served in Squadron 7 in New Guineau during WWII with PT-129 navy officer and fellow silver star medalist, Francis H. McAdoo, Jr., Lt. (jg) USNR.

McAdoo was the nephew of Ferdinand De Mohrenschildt's widow, Nona McAdoo, the sister of Francis H. McAdoo, Jr's father.

New York Times - Mar 26, 1939

...Mr. McAdoo had Arthur Pew Gorman of Stevenson, Md., for his best man, and the ushers were K. Lemoyn Billings and Robert Bell Deford Jr. of Baltimore,...

"..Mr. McAdoo is a grandson of former United States Senator William Gibbs McAdoo of California and, on the maternal side, of Mrs. Isaac E. Emerson of Baltimore. He went to St. Paul's School at Concord, N. H., and w as a member of the calss of '38 at Princeton University...."

In addition to being Lem Billings's close friend from Princeton University, this newly emerged, American relative of George De Mohrenschildt, became president of Emerson Drug Co. and appointed Billings as V.P. Francis H. McAdoo, Jr's WWII fellow navy PT boat officer, George O. Walbridge, 2d, was hired as an Emerson Drug Co. marketing executive and worked for the company until his retirement. The first link in this post contains a photo of Billings and Walbridge in Cuba in 1955.



(Reminder, everything posted below the EducationForum link above is from May, 2011...)
The post immediately before the linked post displays details of James aka Jake, aka Jack Cogswell's relationship with AMRAZZ-1, aka Joaquin Godoy.

Elmer H. Bobst's Warner-Lambert acquired Emerson Drug Co. in 1953, and Billings left the company in 1958. McAdoo stayed on.

Isn't it at all curious that Lem Billings relationships with two PT boat winners of silver star medals for heroic combat performances in the Pacific theater during WWII was never reported by the press, before or after JFK's assassination, or by the WC or HSCA, or by Lem Billings, himself?

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/KLBPP.aspx "

Better start another thread....

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #208 on: August 27, 2021, 11:18:29 PM »
Sigh! Sometimes I feel like "the invisible man" of the JFK Assassination "Research" "community".
Example: I became aware only 12 hours ago of the recent passing of Priscilla. In the reactions to her death I've since read, none of my unique discoveries of her associations or background are mentioned,
The fact that despite the last person reported to have seen Priscilla's father, Stuart Johnson alive in 1969
happened to be Allen Dulles's cousin, James Augustus Thomas, Priscilla told the HSCA in 1978 that completion of her book was delayed partly because of her upset in reaction to her father's "concealed suicide"...

...not even the fact that Priscilla arranged for Marina to be shielded from media inquiry in anticipation of imminent release of the WC Report from Sept. to Dec., 1964, by.... wait for it...



Priscilla's CIA agent cousin, David C. Davenport, and his friend and possible cousin, Jerome Allen Hasty, the two who were sued by Hasty's step-daughter, JoAnn McAdams for abducting her just months later, in July, 1965, and my discovery that JoAnn McAdams was first cousin of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Clifford
...and, in her lawsuit against Davenport, Hasty, et al, JoAnn described Hasty as the spouse of her mother,



https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
Click on OCR link on the page to display page text.
"...Huge suit filed  A suit has been filed in the First Judicial District court by Miss Joanne McAdams of Santa Fe asking for damages in the amount of 390,000,000....David Davenport. Diana Kerner, Perez Roybal, New Mexico Slate Hospital, and the Santa Fc County. Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr. Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28, 1965 to August 15,..."



One of two photos of Hasty that Priscilla herself released to news media in 2013.:



(In 1966, Hasty legally changed his name to Hastings.)

Marguerite Bowman McAdams, who happened to be Clark Clifford's aunt and the sister-in-law of the ten year long employer of James D. Phelan at the Alton Telegraph newspaper,
http://jfkforum.com/images/ClarkCliffordObitAltonTelegraphUncle.jpg
especially interesting because Pat "Patsy" Lambert of David Lifton association, is later described as James Phelan's cousin and his spokesperson.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/12/19/18338723.php
Deadly Corruption in Probate Court - 2006/12/19
Dec 19, 2006 — "My mother, Dr. Amalie Phelan, first visited Attorney Horspool in the ... Family friend and journalist Patricia Lambert had flown in from ..."

David Lifton insisted both Marina and Priscilla were credible in all of his exchanges with them.

BWDIK ? Some will reasonably dismiss my complaints here as the whining of an attention seeker but consider that I haven't posted in months, I'm rarely inaccurate in my claims and when I find that I am, I admit it and correct ASAP. Just ask Mark O'Blazney, LOL.

Consider that Dick Russell is the author of the intro to Mary's Mosaic, Peter Janney's failed book, and of the intro in the late author Albarelli's book, "Coup in Dallas" scheduled for release on Amazon's site on November 16, and that author Russell claimed to have obtained coherent responses to questions he posed to Robert E. Webster in a long term care facility in New Bedford, MA, just after another researcher described Webster as in an unresponsive, "vegetative state".   Link

Invisible, because I've been buried in BS by BS-ers

Walt is either impaired, mendacious, or one is overlapping the other. Consider my comment to Walt (I underlined his name in red) at the bottom of the image of a page found early in Dick Russell's revised edition of "TMWKTM".



This is "the thread" in which BSers BS, (distract) the readers, as happens in almost every thread of this forum. You presented unsupported BS.


In the recent past, Fred Litwin has consistently ignored my several attempts to engage him in debate, but he obviously has time to waste engaging Walt.


In the recent past, Fred Litwin has consistently ignored my several attempts to engage him in debate, but he obviously has time to waste engaging Walt.


Waaaaaa waaaaaa..... :'(

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Edgar Eugene Bradley - Another Garrison Victim
« Reply #209 on: August 30, 2021, 04:55:50 PM »
Edgar Eugene Bradley - Another Garrison Victim

Clay Shaw wasn't the only person that Jim Garrison charged with conspiracy to kill JFK. He also charged Edgar Eugene Bradley with conspiring to kill JFK. Once again, he indicted someone without a shred of evidence. In this case, he was fortunate that Governor Ronald Reagan refused to extradite Bradley to Louisiana. This is yet another example of Garrison's recklessness.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/edgar-eugene-bradley-another-garrison-victim