The Nix Illusion

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2020, 08:27:00 PM »
At Z380 - your choice - Jackie's hand is about 18" to 2' away from the continental kit on the rear bumper, sprawled in the middle of the trunk. Clint, obviously, is at the left rear bumper, behind and to his left of her. Her head, and Clint Hill's head are about 2' to 3' apart. Now Zapruder is also not, at this point, perpendicular to the limo. Your alleged optical illusion in Nix should then work, in reverse, with Jackie, in the foreground, overlapping Clint Hill, in the background. This effect is not visible in Z380, or any other frames.

John, the illusion is clearly demonstrated in the opening post. I didn't expect you to accept it. The mistake that you, and anyone else who fell for it, has made is that you didn't realise Jackie was leaning diagonally across the trunk.
It's that simple.
Look again with open eyes and an open heart and I'm sure you'll see it.

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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2020, 12:21:49 AM »
John, the illusion is clearly demonstrated in the opening post. I didn't expect you to accept it. The mistake that you, and anyone else who fell for it, has made is that you didn't realise Jackie was leaning diagonally across the trunk.
It's that simple.
Look again with open eyes and an open heart and I'm sure you'll see it.

Jackie's hands are on the spare tire/ continental kit, or right above it.

Once you understand why the limo must appear faster..but you haven't yet.
Z381 to Z382. Costella version.  In 1/18th of a second, no less.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2020, 01:59:32 AM »

Jackie's hands are on the spare tire/ continental kit, or right above it.


If you are talking about the Nix frame you're just wrong, for exactly the same reason their heads are not touching as they seem to in the Nix frame.
It's a product of the same illusion.

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Once you understand why the limo must appear faster..but you haven't yet.
Z381 to Z382. Costella version.  In 1/18th of a second, no less.

Sorry John but I literally don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2020, 01:59:49 AM »

I see an " obvious problem" when looking at z381 to z382, at least in Costella version.

If you say so.

But can you tell me why removing a frame from the Zapruder film would not work?

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« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2020, 02:06:23 AM »
If you say so.

But can you tell me why removing a frame from the Zapruder film would not work?
Seems to have worked just fine.

Offline Chris Bristow

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« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2020, 02:36:48 AM »
Lets say the limo slowed to 2 mph. The Z film has it slowing to 8 mph. To make the limo appear to go 8 mph they would need to remove 3 out of every 4 frames. That would mean through that part of the film the people in the limo and Miss Foster would all speed up x4. By around frame 350 they may have been doing 4mph so they would need to take out every other frame at that point. So we would see Malcom Summers thrust himself to the ground at twice the natural speed.
 This would have been a complicated process using matte shots for the background and for the occupants of the limo to keep their action from doubling and maybe quadrupling in speed which would be obvious compared to their movement prior to and after the limo stop.
 The only alteration that would have been fairly straight forward would have been masking the hole in the back of the head and the debris that came from it. People claim that they would have had to do that on the tiny 8mm film itself but that is not true.  The 8 mm film strip is magnified 60 times when projected onto a screen at 3 feet wide so you have room to work without causing it to look all blurry. So you photograph a frame in 50mm then edit the actual photograph and then re film it through the original camera one frame at a time. That would allow the film to show the 8mm film grain it should have.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Nix Illusion
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2020, 03:35:48 AM »
This version of the Z-film by Kiwi Ant Davison shows the limo slowing down to almost walking pace just before the headshot, then speeding away: