The Nix Illusion

[Dan O'meara]

A "deliberate act" or a reflex reaction by a driver startled and glancing behind to see what was happening? I would argue the latter.
Good thread BTW.

It can be argued either way Denis, it's just my opinion based on him being a trained driver (I assume). Why not hit the gas as a reflex? By the same token, it must have been quite an extreme situation. The result is the same, slowing down to almost walking pace at the same time JFK is hit in the head.
It should also be noted that the driver had already looked round once, continued to decelerate then looked round again before deciding to floor it. Why the second glance?
It's hard to judge as everything happens so quickly.

[John Tonkovich]

Just a reminder: your angle is about 45 degrees.
Nix, at most, is 20 degrees, or less.
The "illusion" is yours.

Mr O'meara: what part of " your angle" don't you understand? Your angle, meaning - let me help you here - your video. 45 degrees. Break out the protractor. It's your construction, so it should be easy to measure.

Nix, is, at most, 20 degrees.  45>20.

[Dan O'meara]

Mr O'meara: what part of " your angle" don't you understand? Your angle, meaning - let me help you here - your video. 45 degrees. Break out the protractor. It's your construction, so it should be easy to measure.

Nix, is, at most, 20 degrees.  45>20.

Once again, where are you getting 20 degrees from John?

[John Tonkovich]

Once again, where are you getting 20 degrees from John?

Where did you get your 45 degrees from?

[Chris Bristow]

Generally agreed upon that the Z film shows the limo slow to 8mph. I have measured it before and found it slows from 11 to 8mph just before the bikes close on it at 3mph by not slowing to match it's speed. It may also be an 'official' conclusion based on the Z film

[Chris Bristow]

I just measured it from the West map. At frame 375 Jackie is just getting fully spread out on the trunk. Nix is 50 degrees to the side  and 40 degrees away from being perpendicular to the limo. By frame 400 she is receding and the limo has changed its angle to 40 degrees to the side and 50 degrees away from perpendicular to the limo. Approx but close.

[Dan O'meara]

Where did you get your 45 degrees from?

Do yourself a favour, go back and read through the first post (which you should've done in the first place)

Let me explain it to you in a way I feel confident you will understand -
On another thread you brought up inconsistencies between the Nix and Zapruder film completely out of nowhere, it had nothing to do with what we were talking about or what the thread was about  but I looked into it anyway and came across this article by Milicent Cranor, writing for the WhoWhatWhy website (https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/07/12/jfk-assassination-film-proof-of-tampering/) showing the problem researchers such as yourself were having when comparing two specific frames from the Nix and Zapruder films. It was felt they demonstrated a discrepancy which could only be explained by 'tampering' with the films. It took me seconds to figure out what was going on - you had failed to realise Jackie was leaning diagonally across the trunk of the limo which created what I have named the Nix Illusion. Rather than try to explain it in writing I felt it would be more helpful to make a little video to demonstrate things, so I went into the kitchen and got the first things to hand - a baking tray, a spoon and a lighter. I set things up, made the video and it worked perfectly, clearly demonstrating the illusion that you had fallen for - one angle the spoon and lighter are touching, one angle there is clear separation:



The 'inconsistency' you originally brought up had been resolved, you had simply failed to realise Jackie was leaning diagonally across the trunk of the limo. Such a simple thing - but do you have the good grace to 'learn', to be shown something new and allow it to inform your opinion - not a chance!
Rather than accept you are wrong in any detail, no matter how small, you now what to make up false arguments to distract from your mental inflexibility. I made the kitchen set up without any thought to scale or angles, I just wanted to show the illusion. I specifically state this in my opening post. You have decided to ignore this and want to argue that my throw-together kitchen set-up with a tray. a spoon and a lighter isn't an accurate scale model of the Presidential limo on the day of the assassination.
You want to argue about the angle of the spoon on the tray representing Jackie leaning diagonally across the trunk. Due to a lack of imagination you can't see that changing the angle of the spoon doesn't change the fundamentals of how the illusion works. You just want to get lost in a meaningless argument about trivia rather than admit you've made an honest mistake.

I never mentioned 45 or 20 degrees. These are your inventions, part of the trivia you hope to argue. And then you have the nerve to ask where I have got 45 degrees from. Unbelievable.