The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2020, 03:15:31 PM »
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Are you saying Altgens is talking about another headshot " Long after Z312."??
He is clearly talking about the headshot at z312 but you seem to be suggesting there's another headshot not shown by Zapruder.
Is Altgens witnessing this made-up headshot as he takes his picture of Clint Hill getting on the back of the limo?
Mr O'meara: see Mr Griffith's response above.
He took the words out of my mouth, as they say.

Why is it a " made up" headshot? Because you are/were unaware of it?

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2020, 04:59:48 PM »
Mr Griffiths: thanks for your input.
You have explained  - perfectly- the shot in front of Altgens. At (approximately) Z349.
Thanks.

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The Altgens testimony is clearly referring to the headshot at z312.
The reason the headshot is 'made up' is because you've made it up with no corroborating evidence. At z349 Jackie Kennedy is blocking Altgen's view of Kennedy's head.


Just wanted to make this last point Michael but you're right, time to get back to the theme of this thread.

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2020, 06:17:29 PM »
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The Altgens testimony is clearly referring to the headshot at z312.
The reason the headshot is 'made up' is because you've made it up with no corroborating evidence. At z349 Jackie Kennedy is blocking Altgen's view of Kennedy's head.


Just wanted to make this last point Michael but you're right, time to get back to the theme of this thread.
Mr O:  in Z344 we see Altgens with the camera " almost up to my eye", which he mentions in his testimony. Correlates with his refocusing to 15 feet.
Once you understand:
The West survey, which locates a third hit at 4+95, based on information provided by, yes, both the FBI and SS. ( that info was still published in the Warren Report)
The Warren Commission's initial choice not to call Mr Altgens as a witness.
The motivations of LBJ, who created the Warren Commission.
The motivations of the SS, who - except for Clint Hill - failed miserably in their task.
The nonconformity of the Nix film vs Zapruder film.

and many other things to numerous to mention, you might actually " get it".

But as Vincent Salandria said, later in life, early critics of the Warren Report focused too much on the minutae of the assassination, and failed to see the big picture. Mr S included himself in this critique.

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2020, 12:08:37 AM »
Mr O:  in Z344 we see Altgens with the camera " almost up to my eye", which he mentions in his testimony. Correlates with his refocusing to 15 feet.
Once you understand:
The West survey, which locates a third hit at 4+95, based on information provided by, yes, both the FBI and SS. ( that info was still published in the Warren Report)
The Warren Commission's initial choice not to call Mr Altgens as a witness.
The motivations of LBJ, who created the Warren Commission.
The motivations of the SS, who - except for Clint Hill - failed miserably in their task.
The nonconformity of the Nix film vs Zapruder film.

and many other things to numerous to mention, you might actually " get it".

But as Vincent Salandria said, later in life, early critics of the Warren Report focused too much on the minutae of the assassination, and failed to see the big picture. Mr S included himself in this critique.

What is it you're trying to say?
This just seems rambling and incoherent,
"The nonconformity of the Nix film vs Zapruder film."!! WTF!

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2020, 02:49:21 AM »
What is it you're trying to say?
This just seems rambling and incoherent,
"The nonconformity of the Nix film vs Zapruder film."!! WTF!
Mr O:  the actions of Jackie Kennedy and Clint Hill in the Nix film, at the critical juncture I am referring to, do not all appear in the Z film. Has nothing to do with filming locations, cameras, etc.The films should be mirror images. They are not. Draw your own conclusions.

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2020, 09:09:49 AM »
Mr O:  the actions of Jackie Kennedy and Clint Hill in the Nix film, at the critical juncture I am referring to, do not all appear in the Z film. Has nothing to do with filming locations, cameras, etc.The films should be mirror images. They are not. Draw your own conclusions.

You've completely lost me.
Will look into it and maybe start a new thread.
I'm sure Michael would like to get back to the theme of this one.

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Re: The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment": Further Evidence of Fraud in JFK X-Rays
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2020, 05:30:14 PM »
Mr: O: inasmuch as the topic of this thread is a contention that the x-rays have been altered, my mention of the second head shot, which explains why the x-rays are indeed, unaltered, is quite germane to the discussion.

Might want to remember this quote: " it was in the hairline". Sibert and O'Neill.