The First Shot

[Dan O'meara]

“It’s the arrangement of those 3 boxes that had to be completed before the Bronson film starts at 12:25 which is problem. It’s going to be really close if BRW did not leave that window until 12:23 cause the shooter has to wait for BRW to walk abut 160 ft and get on the elevator and operate it before the shooter could be confident BRW was gone from the floor.”

This is nothing but pure conjecture to think it was constructed after BRW left the floor. Where does that come from?
It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes. Remember Givens saw him walking from that direction.
Or done before BRW returned to the 6th floor.

Unfortunately, Rowland is every CT’s wet dream. The mistake is believing anything Rowland stated as having any basis in reality. After he said he watched the parade the WC should have said OK thanks for coming.  Reread Rowland’s testimony but this time read it with the idea you want to know how many times did the WC catch him fabricating stories or outright lying to them. He is that guy.

Here is a few. I counted at least 9 times. Start at the beginning when he is telling them he went to the eye doctor and his eyesight was better than 20-20. Then why was he there. It just gets worse from that point.

 There is no such thing as a 30 odd six rifle. You cannot tell the caliber of rifle by looking at it. Especially from 200 feet away. He knew it was a high powered scope, seriously.

His description of the guy in the window is ridiculous and completely wrong. Was the guy standing at the window or back inside the room.
Three different descriptions of the man he saw. When asked if he looked back at the 6th floor window after the shooting he said first no, then maybe, then yes. If you heard gunfire wouldn’t that be the first place you would look. At the place you supposedly saw a man with a rifle.

He used to go back to the building, look at it, and reconstruct the assassination in his mind. This is why they were making fun of him throughout the testimony. They knew he was lying to them and just a big BS artist caught up in the moment.

Eventually they had to bring his wife to testify about his believability.

It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes

 

[Jack Nessan]

It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes

 

That was put in there especially for you. As you do, you completely missed the important details of Givens testimony. The fact you never quite pick up on the details and how there is always other testimony to be considered is laughable, but not in the way that you think.

[Zeon Mason]

That was put in there especially for you. As you do, you completely missed the important details of Givens testimony. The fact you never quite pick up on the details and how there is always other testimony to be considered is laughable, but not in the way that you think.

Ok, thanks for posting that WC testimony of Rowland wife. It’s only the part of him telling her about sighting a man with gun at the SE window that she confirms. The black elderly male in the SW window is an after the fact detail which maybe an “embellishment”.

Therefore there’s more wiggle room here that BRW was never in the SN but that he was where he said he was siting on the cart a couple windows down from the box wall. Why chicken bones were found on top the boxes IDK but it’s not that relevant anymore as now there is time from 11:45 till 11:49 that the TSBD shooter had time to stack boxes and adjust the window.

Can we reasonably also discard Rowlands sighting of a man with rifle in hand at the SW window before the fact? If so then there is no problem with Oswald being sighted at by Carolyn Arnold from 12:15-12:17 as he had already prepared the SN from 11:45 till about 12:00 when he went down to the 1st floor and seen by Eddie Piper then.

[Jack Nessan]

Ok, thanks for posting that WC testimony of Rowland wife. It’s only the part of him telling her about sighting a man with gun at the SE window that she confirms. The black elderly male in the SW window is an after the fact detail which maybe an “embellishment”.

Therefore there’s more wiggle room here that BRW was never in the SN but that he was where he said he was siting on the cart a couple windows down from the box wall. Why chicken bones were found on top the boxes IDK but it’s not that relevant anymore as now there is time from 11:45 till 11:49 that the TSBD shooter had time to stack boxes and adjust the window.

Can we reasonably also discard Rowlands sighting of a man with rifle in hand at the SW window before the fact? If so then there is no problem with Oswald being sighted at by Carolyn Arnold from 12:15-12:17 as he had already prepared the SN from 11:45 till about 12:00 when he went down to the 1st floor and seen by Eddie Piper then.

Yes,

Arnold completely botches the description of what the man with the rifle would have looked like if he was framed in the window as he depicts the man with a rifle. Talking about port of arms and other nonsense. Once again the window starts 14 inches off the floor and the open part extends another 29 inches. Specter knew this and that was the whole point of the many different questions Arlan Specter asked of Rowland to describe the man in the frame of the window. Specter knew he was making the whole thing up. In a similar fashion he did the same thing in questioning Rowland about the caliber of the rifle being a 30 odd size six. Specter knew that Rowland had no idea what he was talking about and was making the whole thing up and drove the point home.

Rowland should have been playing the lottery that day. He is standing there blowing smoke up his wife’s behind about security people present on this parade route so that it did not turn out like the Adlai Stevenson incident, except there really was a guy on the 6th floor with a rifle.

In the same manner that Rowland caught the WC Panel off guards by announcing another person in the Snipers Nest, the attorneys and the WC Panel was just as surprised by Charles Givens stating he returned to the 6th floor and saw LHO walking from the SN area. They had no idea he was going to make that admission. The idea that was either staged or a made up story is not bore out by the reaction of the panel and attorneys.

Mr. GIVENS. Well, it was about a quarter till 12, we were on our way downstairs, and we passed him, and he was standing at the gate on the fifth floor.
I came downstairs, and I discovered I left my cigarettes in my jacket pocket upstairs, and I took the elevator back upstairs to get my jacket with my cigarettes in it. When I got back upstairs, he was on the sixth floor in that vicinity, coming from that way.
Mr. BELIN. Coming from what way?
Mr. GIVENS. Toward the window up front where the shots were fired from.
Mr. BELIN. Just a second, where did you go? Where were you when you saw him on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. I had went and got my jacket and was on my way back to the elevator.
Mr. BELIN. All right, just a second. I am going to get a plan of the sixth floor, if I have one, and try and have you point that out to me.
Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir.

The chicken bones story is summed up by Shelley. There were different sets of chicken bones but only one had the pop bottle mentioned by BRW. Located right where BRW said they were.

Mr. BALL - Now, did you find any chicken bones up there or see any?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, I went up later on that day; I believe after we had gotten back from City Hall with someone, I don't remember who it was, one of the officers and they got them.
Mr. BALL - They did what?
Mr. SHELLEY - They got the bones.
Mr. BALL - Where were they?
Mr. SHELLEY - They were on the third--yeah, it would be the third window from the southeast corner.
Mr. BALL - And were they in a sack?
Mr. SHELLEY - Laying on a sack.
Mr. BALL - Laying on a sack?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, sir; with a coke bottle sitting in the window.
Mr. BALL - Did you see any other chicken bones anyplace around there?
Mr. SHELLEY - No, sir; that's all.
Mr. BALL - That's the only ones?
Mr. SHELLEY - That's all.
Mr. BALL - Did you see anybody eating fried chicken on that floor that morning?
Mr. SHELLEY - At one time I think I said I did but Charles Givens was the guy that was eating and he was further on over toward the west side and he was eating a sandwich so he says.
Mr. BALL - Now you say that you thought that you had seen someone had eaten fried chicken that morning?
Mr. SHELLEY - I thought I had; those colored boys are always eating chicken.
Mr. BALL - Do you think you did or do you know?
Mr. SHELLEY - I asked Charles Givens whether it was him that was eating and he said it was a sandwich.
Mr. BALL - Was that before you went down for lunch?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, sir; it was pretty early in the morning, about 9:30.
Mr. BALL - Where was it?
Mr. SHELLEY - It was two-thirds across the building toward the west because I didn't put plywood over there and he didn't get too far from where we were actually working.